How Autistic Producer Asendo Built a Music Career

Esteban Candelario (00:01.999) Hey guys, welcome back to Producer Talk. My name is Estewan, the host. And if you're new here, this is the podcast where we sit down with producers and people in the industry to break down with it what is exactly working in today's music business. Producer Talk is presented by Producer Fury, the number one CRM for producers. And today I'm joined by Ascendo. We're gonna talk about how he uses autism to his his leverage and how it actually has powered him as a producer. And then we're also gonna talk about his ventures, him starting a studio and his success.

as a producer in Scotland of all places, which is which is super cool. But glad to have you on, man. What's up?

Asendo (00:32.502) Hey, thank you very much for having me, man. Appreciate ya, appreciate ya. Let's get it, let's get it.

Esteban Candelario (00:39.88) No problem, man. Now I love the energy already. So I guess I always like starting based on where people were before they became who they are. So like where did your journey start? Like what age and like how did it compound?

Asendo (00:53.74) Okay, so take you all the way back, twenty sixteen. So well actually the let me start in two thousand three. So essentially my mother gave birth to me. Fri I was born on Friday the thirteenth, two thousand three. Like you know how that cr my I remember my mom text my uncle like, Jason's born on Friday the thirteenth, two thousand thirteenth of June two thousand three. My uncle texts back WTF because he thought I was like some sort of serial killer or something.

Esteban Candelario (01:13.577) huh.

Esteban Candelario (01:19.25) Yeah.

Asendo (01:22.808) Well, I mean that's how I did the beats. So so fast forward to about twenty seventeen. So I was at this autistic school, right? There's this girl called there's a staff member called Sally. Usually we had like you know, yeah, one teacher and like five staff members there as well. You know, you know, you had to be on you had to be on point. What was that?

Esteban Candelario (01:26.088) Right.

Asendo (01:51.547) never mind. My bad. Yeah, I'm good. okay, so Yeah, so yeah, so I was back to so there was this staff member called Sally. We went on when in the little people carrier we had, this little white one. And we took got some ice lollies. I remember she played two songs there. Number one, the most important, Futures Mask Off. Now I'd already known

Esteban Candelario (01:53.747) You good?

Esteban Candelario (02:18.151) Okay.

Asendo (02:19.628) I fear rap songs beforehand, you know, like naturally, but this is the first time where I got it. I was like, my god. Yeah, I get it now. I like this, I like this. And I remember at the time beforehand I had like all sorts of like random stuff on my playlist before you know it. Suddenly my playlist had Gucci mean Lil Yuzy Vert. This is right during trap explosion, so that man, that was one hell of an error error.

Esteban Candelario (02:43.462) What?

Asendo (02:48.354) Like one crazy thing about that era is people don't for people forget this, is that it had like the clout rap era, like Boonk, Skinny from Nine, all that kind of stuff going on. Like everyone just doing anything for clout. You think this kick stuff is new? Nah. We were doing it way before then. But we're doing it on like IG, we're doing it on like YouTube. Like people being bloody dumbasses. It's not new. It's never gonna be new. like I remember book I'm

Esteban Candelario (03:16.774) Nah, yeah, I agree.

Asendo (03:17.922) I remember also I remember seeing Book Bullman stealing a whole crab, like stealing a whole lobster and running off with it.

Esteban Candelario (03:22.536) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (03:29.352) Yeah, Book, he I don't know if you've seen him lately. He's actually changed. He's like he's like Christian now. He's like super hardcore Christian. And I remember Skinny from the nine. I I I never liked his music. I always thought he was trash. I just I never understood how he was like how he even got remotely like any like the clout that he did get during that era. But now go ahead.

Asendo (03:46.69) I'll be honest. sorry. I was actually going to

Asendo (03:52.557) Actually have stuff to say about Segini from Nine. So first of all, anyone who I've talked to that has ever done business with a guy knows he is crap. Like I know there's one guy used to produce for him. He used to be like calling him saying, I'm working with Chris Brown now, suck a dick And they're just like upset it like he was super disrespectful to the people he worked with. Even people who blow in had like one song with him and then they kept sending. They blew him in they had nothing good to say about him. And like

I mean I always thought he was like super average, like really super average, like you know, I was like but I mean I guess labels were really just looking for, you know, next SoundCloud kid. So a guy who was like one 'cause I got bands, I got bands, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, that that's definitely something they would see I see like dollar signs in. Sadly it's not relevant anymore.

Esteban Candelario (04:25.864) Very

Esteban Candelario (04:33.693) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (04:49.852) Say I'd say he was below average and that's probably why he fell off, bro. He probably like treated everybody he was with like shit and he wasn't good to begin with and he just got lucky and then now he's wherever, wherever he's at. But okay, so you were listening to Mask Off by Future, and then that song hit you. And how old were you again?

Asendo (05:05.174) I was hold up, that was twenty seventeen, so I was thirty I believe I had just turned

Wait, hold on, I'm doing maths. That's how I was born in twenty three. Yeah, I was about f yeah, fourteen. Four I was about thirteen, fourteen. It was the summer so it must be yeah, I was fourteen.

Esteban Candelario (05:20.254) Fourteen? Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (05:27.304) So from fourteen and hearing that song, like what did you like did you start getting into producing? You started using dolls or like how did it how did it work for you?

Asendo (05:34.959) Okay, so well the actual story behind that is, you know, I'd be around February twenty eighteen, Mo had gone to hospital, right? And remember I was at my grandparents' place and when I was at my grandparents' place I finally installed a party version of FL, as everyone does. And I was like, yeah, baby, let's do it. Let's get into this. And you know, I made some truly horrible beats.

Esteban Candelario (06:02.558) Yeah, everyone does at first rate.

Asendo (06:04.098) Yeah, but but those beats were I remember my first producer name well the very first producer name I was gonna go with is Messiah Beats. You ever seen Monty Python's Life of Brian?

Esteban Candelario (06:19.058) I've seen Monty Monty Pythons but I don't I don't remember which specific it's like movies, right? They're like comedic movies. Yeah.

Asendo (06:24.15) yeah, the movies. As the one where it's like Jerusalem kind of thing. Ga guy gets mistaken for being Okay, so there's a scene in it where his mother, played by Eric Idol, goes, He's not a Messiah, he's a fairly naughty boy.

Esteban Candelario (06:29.201) No, I didn't see that one.

Asendo (06:41.01) And And yeah, that that seems legendary. Go watch Life of Brian after this, I swear. You'll love it. But that film But I wanted to do that and I realized nah that's silly. So I went with Rizorn. Try spelling that and spell it Rizorn, but I wanted to send Rizorn. Then I end up at Sendo because I'm sending up the ranks of the game and r of the industry. Hmm. So

Yeah, that was how it started. And then I remember, you know, just never stopped from there.

Remember twenty

Esteban Candelario (07:19.122) Wha if you don't mind me asking, what was like your first big break? Like what was like something that happened to you that you were like, damn, this is like a good opportunity for me?

Asendo (07:28.46) Okay, so I have a few. Okay, so first of all, I remember back in I believe July twenty nineteen I was I remember Lil B had posted something on in s on Twitter about Pandora playlisting. You know, the basic code and I get on DMs and the thing is Lil B famously had bots on there that automatically responded. So he ended up trying to sell me a feature

Esteban Candelario (07:56.647) They know that.

Asendo (07:59.283) And I was like, Yeah, I've only got forty five pence in the bank account because I mean I really did. You know, I was a little kid, who didn't exactly spend well. So I was like, Yeah, I've got forty five pence, let's do it. And he was like, Yeah, okay, send it over. And then I gave him the little song to do it on and he came back with a verse. He actually recorded a verse for forty five pence.

Esteban Candelario (08:22.695) Really?

Asendo (08:27.502) And then

Esteban Candelario (08:28.19) It's forty five it's forty five pence like forty five dollars US. Like you know what I mean? Like it's just a dollar.

Asendo (08:32.224) No no no. It's more like fifty five cents.

Esteban Candelario (08:36.37) Really?

Asendo (08:37.368) Yes, yes. Twenty nineteen.

Esteban Candelario (08:40.572) What year was this? Was he giving the same verse to everybody, or did he genuinely gave you a verse for like 55 cents?

Asendo (08:46.114) No, he actually just done like a one take f one of those one take freestyles he does and done it on my song.

Esteban Candelario (08:55.026) That's fucking crazy. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, that's so f I get

Asendo (08:57.256) okay, so then I posted that on Reddit, like I just got a little B feature for forty five pence. And then someone from High Snow Priority hit me up, ended up hitting me up. And we got an interview. shout out to Sam Davis by the way. And then I remember I was I was with my grand, right? I I was at like the Edinburgh Playhouse, you know, we're watching like some sort of Virity kind of thing. Go forth from the French. And I remember sitting there reading the article in real time. I was like, my

Esteban Candelario (09:09.692) What? Uh-huh. Wow, that's so funny.

Asendo (09:26.542) God, I think I've made it.

Esteban Candelario (09:29.18) How old were you?

Asendo (09:30.678) I was so twenty nineteen, so I was about hold on. Yeah, I was about sixteen ish.

Esteban Candelario (09:34.078) So you're like sixteen then.

So at sixteen you got a verse for fifty five cents from Lilby and then you got an article made in that or you got featured an article from Hi what's it High Snub? Was it High Society? I forgot what it's called.

Asendo (09:41.954) Low B.

Asendo (09:48.994) Yeah. Hi Snopi Hi Snob T Hi Snob Tiet High Snob IT. Yeah, that one.

Esteban Candelario (09:53.705) High Snuff Society. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I yeah. It's not I mean, I don't really read blogs anymore, so I don't know if it's as popular, but that at that era at that time I remember going through those through those blogs. But that's that's fucking crazy.

Asendo (10:03.5) Yeah, I was and I remember remember during lockdown. I mean this is just like some side quests I've been on. So I remember during lockdown I had and I knew this BBC presenter. she was shout shout a V on a stalker by the way, and during COVID she wanted to interview me about COVID. About awesome and COVID. So like I was on I was on like BBC

on the Bloom and BBC broadcast talking about awesome. And and that wasn't even the first interaction with the BBC I had. So there was a singer called Horse McDonald who came into my school and she done like a ho shot Horse McDonald. she ended up doing like some stuff with my me and my best mate at the time. And I remember we had bro the second time right they wanted to like cover it for a BBC that was called the Nine BBC Scotland.

So then they're bringing like a whole camera crew and they brought like all of the camera crew, they brought presenters and we kinda like done a reenactment of it. And that actually did air in twenty was it twenty eighteen or nineteen? Hold on. Tw yeah, twenty nineteen. Yeah, so tw so it's I I remembered our I remembered timeline. Twenty nineteen, early twenty nineteen.

Esteban Candelario (11:22.798) Probably twenty nineteen 'cause Covid was like twenty twenty. Yeah, close twenty twenty ish. Covid was like February.

Asendo (11:32.335) That was when the BBC the first BBC thing happened with horse. Then there was a little B feature and high snub. Then when COVID hit, I remember I was doing user testing for native instruments as well. Like I think then I need ch crap. actually I don't care. And I basically But I remember I was doing a little bit of user testing for them and I remember that that's when the second thing on the BBC happened.

The one where we I talked about autism in the lockdown. Balistically I was just trying to avoid schoolwork and play COD.

Esteban Candelario (12:07.422) So you've you got interviewed by the local BBC in Scotland by two times, and then you got featured in a high snub society blog. Then you were you said you were test testing for native instruments.

Asendo (12:21.422) Yeah, I was doing a little bit of user testing for native insurance for a few years. I mean yeah it wasn't it was cool. Like I got some plugins and it. But

Esteban Candelario (12:23.592) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (12:30.738) Do you so like was was all this like right place, right time, or were you very strategic with this? 'Cause the little B thing, like, you did reach out on your behalf but it just kind of like created became what its own thing. But like so is y is it just luck or was it

Asendo (12:41.991) I just

I mean, it's just kinda like bumpered into things seeing how they went. Like I didn't know I did not predict I didn't even know who Lil B was when I first hit got hit up. Jedas, like I barely even knew Lil B or why Lil B was legendary. And all it took me like years later to figure out like wait, that's why he's so legendary. I thought at the time like I knew who's I knew he was good. Like I didn't get some of his music, but I kinda you know. But like I never heard of him beforehand and I was like, cool.

Esteban Candelario (12:48.819) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (12:53.017) Are you serious?

Esteban Candelario (13:05.287) Yo

Esteban Candelario (13:10.235) Yeah, yeah.

Crazy. That's crazy.

Asendo (13:14.903) A n

shout to the base scout man. Appreciate you.

Esteban Candelario (13:20.722) Yeah. That's such a that's such a little bee thing. That just sounds like a little bee story. That just like the legend of Lil' B.

Asendo (13:25.112) Yeah. And then he and then he tried to and then he ended up charging me a hundred and fifty to drop it on Spotify, which is even more little thing.

Esteban Candelario (13:33.404) Which honestly a hundred and fifty to drop it isn't even bad to be real with you. Like it could have yeah.

Asendo (13:36.451) Yeah, like generally, like I thought it was a bit steep at the time, but I also wasn't making that much money. But also, like, it's Lil' B, base god. And I remember I remember after that, so someone paid two dollars for the feature afterwards And their ass got roasted on Yeah, as prices race and then they got dissed on the own on Lil B's feature. Like you started saying, like I remember Lil B saying this guy cries like a cries to his mum like a bitch or something like that on the chart.

Esteban Candelario (13:43.314) Yeah. Exactly.

Esteban Candelario (13:52.296) His price is raised.

Esteban Candelario (14:05.438) So

Asendo (14:06.572) Like you're just straight up in going in on this guy.

Esteban Candelario (14:10.632) So did did you putting it on Spotify help you in any way? Like did it did you get a lot of like listens or a lot of yeah, any monthly l

Asendo (14:16.386) I think I got like about five thousand. But I I wasn't No. They were definitely not my first song. Like I already had stuff out. I st kept releasing tracks. They weren't exactly great. But like I a I actually had a whole bunch like I was releasing at the time. Like real ones know how my group chat started. I started because I had this little EP out called loyalty. In retrospect, maybe I should have handed this one to the engineer 'cause I kept misplacing

Esteban Candelario (14:19.44) Okay, for your first song.

Esteban Candelario (14:24.219) okay.

Esteban Candelario (14:28.498) Yeah.

Asendo (14:45.644) I kept putting all the verses out of time because I was inexperienced. Is it I think there was like one or two songs I'll actually listen to from there. But it was still when I was exp inexperienced, but once I was hyping it up, I was like so happy it happened. And I remember I remember lockdown is when I actually started getting good at this stuff. And man, lock that man, lockdown was such a fun time. Like I was

Esteban Candelario (15:14.172) I think sorry, I think every producer I've ever spoken to has had some pivotal moment in their career in during COVID. Every single producer s like no exaggeration, like ninety nine point nine nine percent of y'all that I've interviewed, COVID twenty twenty was just an era for all of you guys. Like something like you know what I'm saying? I just find it like it's just a continuous pattern that I see. But go ahead, like how like what happened to you during COVID?

Asendo (15:35.818) Okay. Okay, so I remember you remember who Overlord Mafia is?

Esteban Candelario (15:43.174) It sounds so familiar, remind me.

Asendo (15:44.535) Okay, Overlord Mafia was like De Desro, Nuki, it was like there's like all these like different producers. They'd done all like the ethnic Pori Peric Swipper Q Beats kind of stuff. And they were like owning that scene at the time. I remember I think wouldn't there like the private like drum kit stash got leaked. And I remember I was up for like a day or two and it had like every single kit on there. I remember just like downloading them as fast as possible with my slow ass internet at the time.

But man, Overlord Mafia and like all that Pyrex Whipper stuff, man, that was one hell of an era. Like that's kinda like how I learned how to do quite a lot my stuff. Was through that Pyrox Whipper era. So it's funny because Pyrox Whipper I mean I think honestly his influence out lasted him as a person. Like Pyrex, you know he's put out bangers, but like his influence is somehow way bigger than him, if you know what I mean.

Esteban Candelario (16:42.92) Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Asendo (16:45.058) Like people were treating the young mal tape that's six rings like it was a gospel.

And I remember during COVID, it's the first let's see, I I started watching a lot of that's like my guy joined WTF. I remember watching his tutorials, Internet Money. I was remember I was watching I don't think I watched KB Easy that much. But like I watched like a few other folk, like a lot of people were coming up. And yeah, honestly like it it was a fun time up until about Bullman

The time that Bloomin, what's it called? George Floyd got held down the neck, Black Lives Matter, you know the protest started to happen. That's the first time where I was like Because, you know, I ha I had no experience with all this stuff. Like I never even thought about all this stuff. And I was just like, Like so I started it's the first time I really had to I really ever got overloaded. Like I remember having these like vivid like arguments with both people with everyone in my head.

Like this is the thing, like when I'm overloaded I start visualising like arguments and fights. Like I started making counter arguments and all this. And I remember at the time it happened with both like you know, what later be the racists, the both the racists and, you know, the people fighting that. Like I was having arguments with them and I was like, What the hell's happening? I thought it was like representative of my own views. I like Like it was genuinely like it was something really interesting that happened to me.

in that way, like where I did not know what was happening. Not even just necessarily just talking about the protests, I'm talking about what's going on in my mind when that's happening. 'Cause there's like phenomenon that's going on that I couldn't exactly diagnose till like five, six years later on why the hell I'd done it.

Asendo (18:36.696) But yeah, COVID was awesome. except from the time where they had to zone ev when they had to make up little zones of like the c councils in the countries that and the house near. Like I remember once I had to smuggle my brother out of his home for Christmas Eve. Because his zone was at a lower zone than my zone. So me and my dad went over to his zone and smuggled him out of there.

Esteban Candelario (18:46.672) Yeah, it's a crazy time.

Esteban Candelario (19:01.982) COVID is a crazy time. The fact that you said you had to smuggle somebody out of, you know, where you live and I mean I I mean, I live in America, so it's different in America. I feel like the states are more a little bit more independent. I don't know what you guys call like, for example, like America's made up of fifty states. So I don't know in Scotland like what you would call it, like provinces.

Asendo (19:20.436) we call that we c I think we call that councils. Like like that we have the city of Inroad Council, the city of Glasgow, South Lanarkshire, we West Loveian, East Lovian, Midlovian. Like all that kind of stuff.

Esteban Candelario (19:23.922) Councils, okay.

Esteban Candelario (19:32.681) So yeah, I don't I don't like so I don't know how the councils are like ran, but like in the United States, like there's one government and then each state has their own body of government. So like in some states, for example, I live in Florida, it was just like a free for all, like everyone will after after the first thirty days of COVID, it was everyone was outside. But if you lived in New York, if you lived in New York, it was like a prison. Like you're like you have to wear a mask, you had to be vaccinated, you couldn't go outside or enter any stores any without without a mask.

So I don't know for like as a producer, it was probably like the perfect time to be inside, like you know what I'm saying?

Asendo (19:58.703) I mean I I'm

I I'll be honest, like I was you know, shout out to Nicola Sturgeon. she was the r the prime the well, actually hold on hold on, this is how it's kinda structured. So you have Westminster down here, England. They kinda run a UK, but you have Scottish count you have the Scottish government up here. And then you have and then within the Scottish government you have all these different councils, like different areas essentially. So we're all run by the Scottish Government essentially.

So I remember that COVID era, you know, she was she's been very sod. I felt like she handled it right. And I remember at school I believe and got the only thing I remember from twenty twenty one at school is them having the COVID vaccines ready and I was like, Yes. Yes, sir. And I remember like all those baths, like I swear, like it's the first time I got acne, but I mean that was just because I was a teenager. Like teen

Esteban Candelario (20:56.158) Yeah. So let me let me let me sorry, let me just chime in real quick. So like during that time, like what exactly were you doing in terms of like I mean for yourself as a producer? Like was there was there opportunities made for yourself during COVID or was that just a time that you were actually getting good as a producer?

Asendo (21:16.194) Well I was starting to get good as a producer, I remember I had my first ever quote unquote placer opportunity. I remember I had hit up Rob Vicious of Shoreline Mafia. I'd hit him up about something and he asked me to send beats. Never specified where so I assumed the DMs. And I remember hitting up every producer I could think of trying to get beats to him. I think also Kid Chunks as well. That yeah, remember the old members only guy who lied about having cancer?

Esteban Candelario (21:28.199) Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (21:42.369) yeah, nice. That's sick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was so weird, right? That was so weird.

Asendo (21:47.469) Yeah. Yeah. Like I remember I was a fan of his a little bit a fan of his at the time before that. And remember how I remember, you know, trying to get stuff to I remember hitting up every single producer I could possibly think of. And since I you know I was extremely small at the time, I'm pretty sure my page looked ugly as hell. So I'm surprised not many people ignore I'm surprised not many people didn't hit me back.

Well it's funny is like a year after a Benny X hit me up again saying, I'm sorry I missed this.

Esteban Candelario (22:18.606) That's that's crazy. a DM from Ben EX is crazy. So so how why do you think people were responding to you? Like, was it just because your name was ringing bells like you were building up some buzz? Or like it was just you're Go ahead.

Asendo (22:21.613) Huh.

Asendo (22:29.688) Well not no No, I just kinda brute I brute forced the entire internet money crew because at the time like I was obsessed with internet money guys so I just started hitting them up like crazy, like I was low key glazing. And I already told the people that used to be in Internet Money, like, you know, I glazed them. And I remember my guy Humblebee, he'd had to tell me, Hey, I'll block you if you don't stop glazing me. And I mean, shout out appreciating me, my guy. I needed that. And actually it was Vision EXE

Esteban Candelario (22:41.116) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (22:46.11) Yeah.

Asendo (22:58.518) V Versiony X was an old guy was glad in like crazy. Like like and now it comes full circle. Yeah, exact yeah.

Esteban Candelario (23:02.686) That's funny. That's funny. Well he likes you. Yeah, he likes you. Because he recommended me, he actually told me to reach out to you, so clear he likes you. But but damn bro. my bad, let me interrupt real quick.

Asendo (23:11.884) Yeah. Hold on, I wasn't whoa whoa whoa I was I wasn't finished.

Esteban Candelario (23:16.808) My bad, go ahead, go ahead.

Asendo (23:17.838) Okay, so yeah, shout out to Virginie XE. I remember he was in doing intervise stuff. I remember putting this little beat tape. And I was getting like so hype and excited 'cause I had internet money members on there doing the loops. And I think V Vegany XE was one of them 'cause he was in the IM. And yeah, that was one hell of an error. Thank God I got I sort of c lazing a little bit more after that.

Esteban Candelario (23:42.376) So you kind of built reputation reaching out to people like Vision XE and he was in the internet money at the time. Then I guess like people from internet money was like sharing your name with other people and that's how you're getting more responses?

Asendo (23:55.011) I mean I I just kinda like built it up. Like this is just around the time where like Matt Shutter at Juco were just starting to creep up, so I locked in with them as well. You know, I started working with their lips, cooking up with them and I started getting my own opportunities with artists. Like I remember there's this guy, Westside Jet, his name was. Westside Jet and I remember I'd got I got my first three songs of a major label through with him.

It was like just some like some little pain stuff. But like that song like remember that was my first ever check. Like I think I got like four hundred a song. By that I mean only on my side. Like I think it was like one point two, one point five K a song. And I was like, damn. I I'm a mad excited about this. This is a nice little check for me. So I remember afterwards.

What's his name? So that was that was in twenty twenty one. So twenty twenty one was an extremely important year. So I had quit no, I had left school because, you know, I graduated. I had finished a col I'd done two college courses at school, both for sound production at Forth Valley College. And the second one was during COVID. Yeah, I don't wish that on anyone. At all. Like that was hell on earth. Like I think that's probably the worst moment in my entire life was having to do a college course during COVID.

Second worst.

so what's his name? So I left so I ended up graduating school and I mean I I thought I already done the college courses. Why but I'm just gonna stay at home and cook up. Like, you know, grind this music stuff. Let's try and make the best out of it. So you know, first year and I was going like nuts. Like I met a lot of people through that at that time because I remember like a lot of Discord servers were popping up.

Asendo (25:54.543) Remember this guy what was his name? Mikey showed my guy sample gateway. That's where I met a lot of folk. Like I I was like conversating with shout out to my guy Seb from One Mind. Yeah, so one of the guys especially that I built a relationship with was Seb. And he had done Unforgettable with French and Swee Lee. He had done Casey Talk with NBA Youngboy, he had done like a whole bunch of you know, his diamond. He was very certified in the game.

I remember we had we had done a few unreleased and man, shout to that guy, like we still stay extremely cool with each other to this day. You know, we both stay working. I know that if he's doing his own solo stuff as well, which is extremely cool. Like he's actu like whew, y you should check out Feel Soul Live after this. Like that song is a banger. Like that gets played at

Esteban Candelario (26:49.55) Yeah.

Asendo (26:52.088) That's been played at two weddings that I've been to, of of me and my ma's recommendations alone. Like if you got your maw hooked on a track, that's a good sign.

Esteban Candelario (27:02.762) It is a good sign. so I just wanna ask, do you think people are just like they just naturally like you? Because like and why why do you think that is?

Asendo (27:11.107) Yes.

Asendo (27:14.574) Cause I got charm, I got humour, I got int intelle intellect I I mean I got Riz. But in no seriousness though.

Asendo (27:29.26) Okay, so in all seriousness no. I feel like one thing is I've never claimed to be anything I'm not. Like I am an artistic producer from Scotland and I've never been shy of either of those facts. I've been a lot more open with the autumn stuff recently, but in the past year, but like I've never exactly hidden it. I've always been making like crazy jokes. I've always been like just having fun. I've always just been like

Dedicated. Like there's a lot of people who you know, are also Scottish in producing who end up dropping out or become bitter and it's like dropping out and not being bitter or dropping out in general. And I was like, Damn, you were hard. But you know, like it just happens. It's I don't say I feel like it's natural selection. Like people j people drop out because, you know, they drop out this stuff ain't really made for everyone.

Asendo (28:29.816) But and also is this, why people gravitate towards me is because A, that and two, you know, especially nowadays, like I've been I went to this wedding recently. I was song with this guy, his name is Bat and I remember you know, I talked with him about Odesum, I talked with him about like history and he said I was a very wise self aware guy.

Esteban Candelario (28:29.971) Mm-hmm.

Asendo (28:58.76) And I was like, Huh. So it's not just me.

And yeah, honestly like I feel like the thing why people gravitate towards me naturally is just 'cause, you know, like a lot of producers feel like they have to like do the producer things. They have to like act like a producer, they have to feel like a producer. They got dressed like a producer. Or dressed like an off brand like rapper. But no, you do what you want to do. You if you think that Bloomin' sweater looks sweat or scarf or bloomin'

dress or whatever makes you whatever makes you feel good, you do it. Whatever you want to grind for, you do it. Whatever you want to like whatever you want to dress like, however you want sound like, however you whatever your interests are, embrace them fully, post about them on your stories, you will get people the way I'll say it's like it cuts out the mo cuts out the morons and it shows your core audience. Like there's this Irish group, they're called Kneecap. And they're like

really big in the UK but the thing is they piss off the government so much because you know they're like really strong with activism and all that. Like I swear they actually beat a terror charge at one point. That's a that's how crazy they are. But the thing that I noticed is that every with every article that got made about them, like the people who weren't interested in them anyway just kinda shrank. And the core audience strengthened. Like core audience got stronger and stronger and stronger. So I feel like that's

Esteban Candelario (30:14.334) It's crazy.

Asendo (30:31.746) That kinda like the more I post openly about myself and what I do, like we're in the blooming age of, you know, being yourself. We're in the age of like there's like trying to fit in is lame as hell. And that's that's honestly the truth. Like trying to fit in, like I mean it's human nature, but once you realize that ain't gonna save that's not gonna help you, it's only gonna make you look like a l like, well, a phony. That's when it's gonna be like you're gonna

Esteban Candelario (30:45.532) It is

Esteban Candelario (30:59.25) Yeah.

Asendo (31:01.472) only thing you're going to be worth is you know if you're yourself like that just means like fully embracing who you are, embracing what you like. Don't worry if it's what other people what it perce it's not even what other people might be thinking, it's like worrying about the perception. Like there's a lot of stuff like that people try to claim is like, I don't know, corny lame like that you might be interested in, but like honestly, no.

Embrace it. Embrace it fully. Because that is what because people love that. People love a producer who's just like doing his own thing, like, you know, posted up in a kilt looking at a Highland coup. That's like stuff, you know, because I'm Scottish that I as soon as I saw the Highland Cows at a wedding, I was like, Yes. Yes. I am taking a picture of Highland Ku. Like a lot of my posts are just they're not even of me in the studio half the time. Like I'm looking right here, 'cause why not?

Esteban Candelario (31:32.54) I agree.

Esteban Candelario (31:49.03) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (32:00.477) Yeah, I went to your Instagram.

Asendo (32:01.047) And I got I'm peeping my Instagram right now. I've got a picture of me in a kilt posed next to Helen Cow. I've got a picture of me and my brother's old gaff. There's one picture of me in the studio. There's a picture of me next to Mustafa who is fake Minka and Zero Silbased and Nick Spend and

Asendo (32:27.692) Osama Sun's engineer. I met him at SWG3. Now I do want to talk about that right now. Let's do it. Okay, so I met Mustafa three years ago because I think he followed me for some reason, I can't remember why. And I hit him up like, hey, let let's get some in. And he was like, This is back when he was a producer. He wasn't he was working a little bit at 5 0, but he wasn't really on something too crazy. It was like way before anything. And he said, Hey, send me some stuff for 40 and now he skipped

Esteban Candelario (32:35.006) What's up?

Asendo (32:56.93) I was sending I just put him on my weeklies list, kept sending, sending, sending, my triples, sending, sending, sending. And in that time he ended up becoming like the go-to engineer in underground, working with one fake manga at Osama-Sun. And I came back to him, like we already talked beforehand, but I came I came back fully when he was like when he engineered psychotic by Osama-Sun. And that album is insanely mixed, like it's somehow the most distorted album I've ever heard in my life.

But somehow the vocals are still clear.

hell do you do that? And I end up him I ended up getting back in with him. He told yeah, send to my Discord DMs. Don't even send to my server. Send directly to DMs and I was like, hell yeah. So I sent in, kept sending and I found out he was gonna be in Glasgow because he was a tour DJ for fake Mink. And I was like, yeah baby let's do it. So I I found Mustafa I hey do you want to come through to my studio?

Esteban Candelario (33:55.454) Crazy.

Asendo (34:00.975) Let's get some in. And he was like, Yeah, sure. Day before we couldn't he come in because we had missed our flash flies we had missed the flight. And by the time that the studio by the time we get to the studio, it'll be time for the show. And I was like, Damn. But hey, come through, like I'll put you on the guest list and everything. By the way, do you know anyone who's got gas? And I was like, Yeah, yeah, sure, I got poke. And I remember I hit I hit one of my guys.

Because I know that I don't smoke like I'm clean. But I know mates do, so I have one of them got him to come through with ten G's. sorry the guy out. And I remember I remember halfway through the show, guy was like, Hey, do you know can you get me some more? Like maybe like t ten more G's I was like it's like a game of playing telephone between stuff of me my guy and then a guy my guy's dealer.

So as and I I don't do any of this. Like I don't know crap about dealing. I don't know crap about buying or selling. So I'm letting my guy do it because I'm you know, I'm keeping my hands clean. I didn't do all that. Maybe cut this one out of the interview, you know. But but yeah, so I end up having a brilliant time that night at a you know, guest list and everything. And I'm I'm not kidding. Okay, you can cut You can keep cut that part out, but

Esteban Candelario (35:07.726) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (35:17.778) Asendo (35:32.089) Keep this part in. So I remember after the fate went gig, I was standing waiting for Mustafa and I remember this guy came up to me and he was like, Sendo, my guy, adapt me up. And I did not know who this guy was at all. Turns out dude had watched my reels, like ones where I like dancing like a cre crazy man or something, and he loved them. I was like, Huh? Like these little like two K or three K reels were making like an impact.

Esteban Candelario (35:46.142) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (35:55.934) Crazy.

Asendo (36:01.55) And I was like,

It's like that's real stuff is crazy. Like I mean I've sure I've got sessions off of like that how Awesome Effects music production series. Highly recommend that because that is like a deeply important series. As long as my vols are not updated in a hot second. I might have to bring some some ideas for that real quick. I think I'll let the pride get to me too quick. Because I was like getting begased up by like seeing the results and everything. I ended up like writing myself I ended up just like

I don't know, kinda getting a bit bored. Well not even bored with the topic. I was just like Yeah, I had too much pride in it. So that's why I kinda stopped for a minute. And

Esteban Candelario (36:44.392) So my bad. I I'm just trying to make sure I like I catch up with like the story 'cause a lot of information. So I mean you end up meeting Mustafa who just like is is he's at the time was just like the the main engineer for like underground artists like Osama Man and Pink Pink and stuff like that.

Asendo (37:00.45) No no no hold at the time, like when I met him, like he was doing s a little bit of work for Five O Five O for and so then after after that, like three years about three years later, then he became like the top engineer in underground, doing stuff for fake mink and Osama Sun.

Esteban Candelario (37:09.598) Mm.

Asendo (37:25.326) So that so then I met h I ended up linking with him in Glasgow where, you know, I hook I got hooked up and and I ended up meeting a guy who I didn't even know, just for like reels.

Esteban Candelario (37:25.352) Crazy.

Esteban Candelario (37:39.561) Crazy. And I mean your story's kind of crazy. Like the the way you meet people and the way the relationships like just end up becoming the way they become. I mean, I people always ask this question and like I d I don't think there's no way you can teach you can you can't teach somebody like how to build a relationship. There's like no wrong or right way, I guess. And I hate asking this question 'cause it's so generic, but then like how do how are you how are you maintaining, you know what I'm saying? How are you maintaining a relationship for that long to the point where

Asendo (38:02.05) I scott.

Esteban Candelario (38:07.698) you're still plugged in with people and, you know, obviously they respect you and invite you and stuff like that.

Asendo (38:11.618) think honestly like once they once they follow me, you know, they already see what I'm doing. Plus and you know I'm kinda just popping up quite a bit on their stuff. Even if it's not like twenty four seven, I'm still popping up, they see my face. They see what I'm about, they see me just be myself. But also like people forget like the producer game is kinda funny, like the music game. I could be not talking to someone for four years and then that's how it going goes like you could talk to someone from like twenty twenty two

You've never then you never talk to them for like four years and then you glink back up with them and it's like nothing it's like the conversation is still continuing from last time. Like the producer game is like very, very like you know, you kinda find you kinda forget about folk. Once they come back, you end up remembering x exactly everything from before. Like we've had that happen I actually had that happen this year with a few folk. That I got back in with like they

is like we continue like nothing ever left off. No, it's like we continued right where we left off. And I think people kinda forget that because like, no, people aren't gonna forget you. Like, I mean we all make mista and if you're worried about like burning bridges, two things. One, people can just forget anyway, like people forget about like if they they probably f remember you like a pretty solid dude.

Esteban Candelario (39:19.634) I agree.

Asendo (39:39.375) They don't remember the mistake that made. You know, they don't really remember any mistakes or anything. They just remember like the one t you know, you know, this soul moments. Like people can just forget about a BS for the most part. Unless you like do bad business, then yeah. You're gonna get remembered. But but but if you're just if it's just like some little personal, you know, argument or whatever, like that's normal. Like no like even if you get caught off for a temporary, like they'll come back.

Esteban Candelario (39:56.804) No, I agree. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (40:05.064) Yeah.

Asendo (40:08.558) People come back. Like that's just human nature. And it doesn't happen if you're famous or not, like it just happens. And then I remember well, what's the second point?

Esteban Candelario (40:17.427) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (40:23.287) I don't know there's a second point, but go ahead. Yeah, maintain yeah.

Asendo (40:24.834) Wait, wait, we maintain relationships. Hold on, I was I was kinda just lost on track there, so yeah, the burning bridges, yeah, there we go. So the second it's funny 'cause I have to try remember the little nodes that I created. Like, yeah, Spillman, how I maintain relationships. I'm like, okay, so I'm on nodes like I'm on like how burning bridges and why I think that's a little bit overdated. And I'm trying to remember what I was talking about.

So second part of that is that like it's over it's an overrated concept. Like if someone's gonna screw you over in business and and you end up calling them out, that's fine. Like even if you like like if someone's trying to play you, that's not burning bridge. Like some bridges are made out of mud. And like mud's kind of f yeah, like some bridges are not worth keeping, like

Esteban Candelario (41:18.077) Bar.

Asendo (41:23.628) If someone's being a dickhead, someone's being like, you know, discriminatory or something like that. Or just, you know, just not being pleasant or screwing you over in business. Screwing folk over in business. Like, you don't keep that bridge just because I think I can get more songs. It's a mistake we've all made. Like I've made that mistake like a thousand times. And it's something that, you know, people respect you when you're starting on business. And like I remember I think I called

Remember this one dude. He was posting like stuff about music's dead nowadays cause I was just you know, there was just basically just sending like Bill Cosby. Some Bill Cosby ass guy. And I was like, nah. Call him out. Then I found out that this guy was having like straight meltdown over like real lever or something. And like you I mean, that's like the absolute goat right there of real lever. And I remember like I was just saying like

wouldn't it be like burning bridges if you're like if you have a whole comment calling out on like hypocrisy and all that. On the Cosby type thing. I was like, nah, some bridges are just not worth, you know, keep maintaining. Like look, you burning bridges is a concept, like to keep people what's it called?

Not try not sure what I'm trying to say here, but Burning Bridges is like Burning Bridges is like a concept ki meant to keep people like not complacent, but

Esteban Candelario (42:47.678) I think I know what you're trying to say. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (42:54.992) I agree. No, I agree. Like if somebody if you feel like somebody has leverage over you, like you should keep it because they have lever. But it's like if the bro they're doing bad business, then you should never yeah, it's if they do it once, they do it twice. That's the lesson I learned. And I think that goes for everything, not just for like producers. But I mean to to the original point that you were mentioning, like there is something about producers, like the com producer community is so much more personal.

Asendo (43:02.648) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (43:17.48) than other communities. Like it's so much more easier to network in than other communities. And I don't know why. I don't know if it's like a major personality trait with producers, but it's just a little bit more acceptable. Like for example, I think as an artist, it's way harder to network with other artists who are in the game. But if you're a smaller producer, I think it's way easier to network with producers who are in the game. and I I yeah, easy right it's it's weird. It's like it's a community thing and it's it I don't know what's driving it at it's a good thing.

Asendo (43:39.082) easily.

Like Yeah, I I I've I've I've got a theory, I've got theory. So like producing's inevitably built on collaboration. Like you know, like people always clown the blem and yoke and loop stuff, but honestly that's where it's at. Like the commute the whole community part of that is collaboration. We're all collaborating, sending each other loops, making each other's you know, sending out beats, sending out loops, sending out MIDI's making out starters.

all just like collaborative ideas of each other to try and get songs. Like that at the core is the reason why it's so easy to network. Is because, you know, like we've kind of built it in our blood. Like ever since Qbeats shout out Q Beats. You're all some legends by the way. Like ever since they started sending stuff to like Metro, so Cardo, T eighty eight, etc, etc. Like that's when producers like really started like

Embracing collaboration in that crazy way. And like then and by the way, the industry will like the kinda like labels, major labels, they hate the fact that they can't control the gr pipeline. They like you know how in country or pop they can control the pipeline a lot more. And rap they could ever since about like twenty twenty three, they've not been able to control it that much. That's why they always say rap is dead. Is A, because you kinda have to like dig for it yourself.

Esteban Candelario (44:58.63) Uh-huh.

Asendo (45:10.904) Like the thing is, Monoculture is dead, that's God I'm amazing. That means people who are unique, people who are divergent, you know, they're coming through and they're taking over, but unless you like deliberately tap in with like different folk. Like you just don't get anything on your on a silver platter anymore. And that's a great thing. You have to go search, you have to go find what you love. Because trust me, there is everything that you love. If you look people just get and also the narrative of Rap is dead is also driven by

like label folk who just hate the fact that they're not in control anymore. They're like even with the big artists, like they're taking women like they're basically using the labels not as like you know like a pre predatory loan. They're just basically using them as distribution service. Like yeah, so I you take so y you're getting like a twenty percent cut, but I'm going to distribute my music for you and you're gonna have to like it whether you like it or not.

Esteban Candelario (45:57.992) Yeah.

Asendo (46:10.712) That's kinda like how the big artists do it. Like they do the under exclusive license deals. And the labels normally can do like, yeah, so I've gotta give you a five million of ads and you're kinda like your stuff is owed to us for, you know, the longest. That's kinda like the traditional kind of deal that the labels are more that's why they love country or pop or k pop more than, you know, they love rap. Also, they just don't like rap in general. Like I remember talking to this A and R one time

new like from I think Warner or something and he was saying like yeah talking about how rap how these rap producers are like too boxed in. I'm gonna help them expand their range in these sessions. Essentially what that means is I'm gonna use your trap producer name for rap has the most popular genre right now. Always ha has been for like it's been what's shaping culture. Rap's what's been shaping culture. Rap is the most popular genre in the world

It's youth culture. It's everything. But the thing is, the labels can't control the pipeline as hard on that one. Like rap gets out there in many different ways. And they hate that. They hate that so badly. So they'll use it as they'll try and use rap as a stepping stone to get producers that they've got control over into like into their safer, kind of more controlled genres like pop country or k pop.

Or even R and B, like 'cause they can control pipeline harder in those.

Esteban Candelario (47:46.473) No, you're good, bro. That was actually like I think I mean, I think you're right on the money. I don't think you're too far left, too far right. I think you're right down the middle with like your theory and and the idea. And I I a hundred percent agree and like I I wouldn't even say like just hip hop. I just think the way information is sent out now is just too easy to put out information. It's way too easy to release music nowadays. It's way too easy to make music nowadays, equipment is cheaper. Now there's AI being included, so it's gonna be even easier. You know what I'm saying? And they're just

Asendo (48:13.57) Yeah, honestly that's that's amazing. Like some kid who doesn't know what he's gonna do is it's gonna make an absolute banger. And the thing is, the only people that will really affect is the major labels. They hate that. They hate that music's becoming easier to make. They hate that. And like they're not important anymore. That's the that's the ultimate part, is the labels aren't important. You get yourself Distro Kid, you get yourself United Masters, you get yourself whoever, and you start releasing. You set up your blooming

Esteban Candelario (48:36.958) Facts.

Asendo (48:41.134) set up your publishing beats publishing. That's like your admin deal. So you're collected on those royalties. You set up with PRS or BMI or whoever, that's your PRO. There you go, there's your three. You got your publishing, your PRO. By the way, those collect two different kinds of royalties, and you get your what's it called? And you got your distributor. I would recommend DistroKid.

On account that if you're a producer you can collect District royalties. Like that's the master royalties coming from the distributor. So that's what's gonna get you like crazy money. But but also like the publishing money collects like crazy. Like if there's a video that my guy Kavi put out and Cavi break it basically broke down his entire like how much he's getting for publishing. And like

Yeah, he's mostly like focused on the kick game, but he's got a lot of good placements. And I swear it was something like something insane, like six figures. Yeah, six figures like every quarter or something like every quarter or six months. This dude's getting like dumb money. And you know, that's very possible for you as well. Like to anyone who's watching, like you just need to rank up the songs.

Esteban Candelario (49:54.984) Crazy.

Asendo (50:04.558) Like even if you don't hit six figures, you'll probably hit like two, three, four, five. It all compounds. Like more songs you make, more it compounds. Like as a catal they call it catalogue for a reason.

Esteban Candelario (50:10.334) Exactly. Exactly.

Esteban Candelario (50:16.604) I think too many producers I I I actually posted this on the on the on the story on the on on our Instagram. So and I was like I feel like producers should like just lean away from actually just selling beats and lean more towards like either selling one-on-ones or like just reaching out to artists who have potential who don't have much going on for them and then building a catalog with them and then growing helping them grow as an artist, as long as everything is split evenly. I think over time, like if you want to be a producer, you're not gonna make money now.

For most producers, not all producers. I feel like if you're if you're if you're if if the thing you want to do is make money now, then you might be in the wrong game 'cause in reality, I think like how you exactly how you mentioned, it all compounds, especially the music royalties and the publishing. If you Yeah, a hundred percent. It's a it's a long term thing for sure. The grind is real.

Asendo (51:00.674) Yeah, Yeah, it definitely takes a lot longer. Like yeah, it definitely takes a Yeah, like I mean I can't lie, the like the grinder is definitely real, it's not built for everyone, like I mean you'll probably be able to sell a few beats, like hell yeah. But the crazy thing is, like, this is to add to your point, like, do not just work with one artist and build a catalogue, work with like five, ten, fifteen, diff twenty different artists, like

Esteban Candelario (51:17.8) Facts.

Esteban Candelario (51:26.504) Facts. Facts.

Asendo (51:28.002) You never ever want to do like the one artist kind of grind. That sucks. But like you just wanna just start hitting up mad artists, like just like you know, like that's the thing. You hit up mad artists and you kinda circle it down to the ones that end up responding. Like that it's a numbers game and then you whittle it down, whittle it down, whittle it down. So you've got, you know, your fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty people that you know like smaller guys that consistently drop.

Esteban Candelario (51:43.472) Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Asendo (51:57.313) on your stuff. Like those are those will always be like like the thing is like either they'll do nothing or they'll do something

But event but even like if you just just keep dropping, like keep dropping even if you help them push a little bit, that'll work. Like even if they aren't like, you know, help help them find playlists

Esteban Candelario (52:09.47) Agree.

Esteban Candelario (52:19.376) Exactly.

That's kind of my theory. My theory is like honestly, if you want to be taking it a little bit more serious, then you should move like an artist, like as if you're an artist. I think a good example is like Caitronada, Metro Boomin, who like people or they're producers and they feature artists on their songs. And I feel like more producers should move in that direction, even so much so that they they should pay for advertisements and they should they should be boosting that song on Spotify, or they should be boosting that song on Instagram and helping that artist grow and then helping themselves grow and then also building a brand for themselves.

Asendo (52:40.559) yeah, like

Esteban Candelario (52:52.294) I feel like producers should become the new artists. There's a handful of them that have done it successfully, but I think more should lean that direction.

Asendo (52:57.184) I'm I think everyone actually is going that direction now. Like the you know, producers are the new artists. I mean that is completely true, like producers have become the new artists and artists are still there. Yeah, but like but the producers are the important people, they're the architects, people finally recognize producers for who they are. And the thing is, like start seeing producers like they'll they'll change up they'll do like they'll post they'll switch over a

Switch out a beat and put their beat on a song on like an acapella, they'll post that on TikTok and then that song goes viral or something. You know, it starts getting a little bit buzzed. R since it releases that and ends up doing way better. Like an example is my guy's Segway. He had done So there's a song with one foreign names called Spinning. And at the time, like when this when I first heard the song, it had like blown in like

Sonic Adventure as bells in there for a drill song. Explain yeah, explain that one. Like it was the beat was like so overdone. And then Segway took that and put like this little interpretation of a of Fancy by Drake. Then well, well, well, that kind of bit. And then put like a really like spaced out, like kind of like chill drill beat over it. Posted that on TikTok. It started running around.

NEMSM One Four end up dropping it under a SegWave Remix. It got s actually credited on DSPs. And the original is that's six point nine million. the SegWave Remix is doing a hundred and ten million.

Esteban Candelario (54:32.136) Crazy.

Esteban Candelario (54:40.808) Holy shit, that's crazy. I think it's always crazy to like for for like a producer to collect royalties on something that's well, I don't know, like do I mean collecting royalties from like, you know, Spotify and Apple is different because you're getting like a point zero zero three, I don't know, like a one third of a penny. So it's like it's not it's not much, but if you have that many views, I'm sure it adds up. And I I I think the biggest challenge for I like I think all producers is one making money, but two growing. But also like I be you yourself, you own a studio.

So like how do you even end up like owning a studio? Like what was the process for you?

Asendo (55:13.622) Okay, okay, now we've got a story. Okay, so let's take it back to January twenty twenty three. So I remember this tight I remember I just finished off with COVID. I actually got COVID myself. I basically just drank loads of coke

Esteban Candelario (55:30.438) Okay.

Asendo (55:31.234) I didn't e I don't even like cock, but since I had no taste, I thought screw it. but anyway, that's regardless of story. So I finally I first visited the studio six for four in Rufford Glen. So I had six for four studios, KC and Ludinam. Linked up with them and that's kinda like how I started learning about Scottish Rap scene. So I found out they do have you ever seen the Willy Wonka experience?

Esteban Candelario (55:58.238) The movie.

Asendo (55:59.299) No, the event. Like there's an event a few years back. Very like viral. So basically it's like a complete art disaster in every way possible. Like honestly, look it up when you get time, but they it was kinda like the venue with like it looks great for urban kind of stuff, like cracked ceilings and everything. Like it's great for like a streetwear event. But not very good for like something that's meant for children. But essentially

Esteban Candelario (56:01.982) No

Asendo (56:28.942) So 644 had this one gig there. They had my guy Jessari, Sean Focus. It was the first ever Scotch rapper I ever had. I thought, my god, this is amazing. Like he's amazing, like by the way. Check. there was a whole bunch of people, so I ended up networking on the scene there. That's the very start of everything, it was June twenty twenty three. Then I proceeded to Then I remember my guy Jessari, he invited me to pitch Scotland in twenty twenty three.

And that's when because he was performing there, so as a networking event anyway. So I remember one time I was set I was like about to get the Smackin' Cheeses wherever. I remember turning my back turning my back forward. I see my guy Pat well, now my guy Pac in Kaya and as soon as I found out they did trap, I was like, Yep. Ding ding ding. Like I found out my guy did p pack did trap and I'll tell you.

In Scotland, it's hard as hell to get people on a trap beat. Because the Scottish accent, I honestly feel, isn't built for trap. Like well most Scottish accents, I'll be honest. Like unless because like it's I know it's like way I'm talking is like it's it might sound strong but it's not like sharp. Whereas like yeah you

Esteban Candelario (57:36.958) Interesting.

Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (57:50.825) heard yeah, yeah. I've I've actually met somebody who was Scottish and he said his name and I had no idea. I was like, What's your name? And he said it and I was I just my ears, my are too American. I didn't know what he was saying the whole time. Yeah.

Asendo (58:02.648) Yeah. The thing is like I'm like I'm Scottish but you can tell I've listened to a lot of trap music, a lot of Atlanta stuff, of the way I can like talk. Like the way I can like slur vows or stuff like that. So it's like a little bit more I probably could make a little bit more of a trapbeat. I could probably like rap a bit more on a trapbeat. But the Scottish accent is not built for that. It's meant for like boom bap and jell. That's what two main genres that end up in Scotland were, especially at that time.

Like, you get people on Boom Bub, you get people on Drill. And it's like Dam So I end up hitting up what's his fate? So I end up hitting up a lot of people, including Pac after the studio. And I remember there's like you fight who's the first person to invite me to the studio, in Ruff his studio in Ruffic Lane, which later ended up becoming Pac Sendo. But I remember it was the first ever session

And isn't Jesse because he told me like this is his first time hearing about autistic producer. But since the fa thing was, like at the time you start kind of old definition of autism on there in his mind, like everyone else did. You know, it's more medicalized, it's more like, yeah, he's got the condition known as autism kind of thing. Like, was he actually capable, or is he actually able to cope with this? Kind of thing. And

Can't lie, I was just excited to get the house for the first time in ages. so I ended up at the studio, we finally met each other. And it was the first time I ever had like an artist in the studio. I had a studio session with with an artist and I'm pretty sure there's still footage of that online. And yeah, it was a crazy session. But that 30 sessions later, we we had already built like such a close brotherhood.

Esteban Candelario (59:35.582) Mm-hmm.

Asendo (01:00:02.446) And I know that the two owners had end up kicking no stop the studio. They kinda just like pulled out a little bit. So I end up

I end up stepping out no, I end up stepping in and I started owning the studio with him. You know, I pay my rent, you know. And I get to I basically have the keys

Esteban Candelario (01:00:46.846) So you don't have to actually show us the keys, I believe you. I believe Yeah.

Asendo (01:00:49.538) Yeah, basically I've got the keys to the studio. And I remember this real time for our brotherhood was so we're having this crazy session, right? We had like women livestream went and showed a Just Jack and we had like all these artisan. And I went out to get a snack. I went out to get a bottle water. The Nissa at the intersection between our studio, the train station and the Tesco, it bur the Nissa was burnt down.

was burn actively burning down. And like those firefighters, police police officers, you know, they're all caught cornering the place off. So I had to like go out the back entrance. I was kinda like worried because like my so we had intersection, that's needs burn down here. I still need to go through the intersection to get to my trade station back home. So I was like I was getting extremely worried and when I'm like overloaded and

Yeah, I'm really stressed out. I slur my words, I stop I basically stop communicating vi well.

Asendo (01:01:56.291) I stop communicating and I s end up saying the wrong things, that kind of stuff. It's like an absol my god, I don't want to be through it. So I end up so I end up getting the phone over to Pac and you know, he's a he's one of the calmest people I've ever met in my life. And he ends up calmly explaining it to my parents and get and get me home on time.

even for you was kinda stuck in the studio and yeah, that went down well. But he looked out for me that day when I was like overloaded when I when I had v extreme troubles like communicating.

Esteban Candelario (01:02:39.92) sick man. That's a crazy story. Like again, do you like right place, right time, right person. Like you the way you the way you're able to like meet people and find yourself in situations is like I I feel like you have a you have two two two lifespans in one story from the life that you live so far.

Asendo (01:02:56.714) I I'll be honest, I've I keep saying this to myself, like I swear I've lived five lives. Like I've only told you about like maybe two of them. Like I'm I'm pretty sure it's like more when I was like at school. Like I should mention at autistic school, like like they're done best they could with like before Neodivergence where they saw autumn as a w a different as a different set of wiring that you adjust for. Before that

Esteban Candelario (01:03:03.357) Yeah.

Asendo (01:03:25.752) Like also was seen as a condition, something to manage, something that you know it was more s you know, it's like condition. Like as a disorder it was as seen as that.

Which it ain't. it is a different set of wiring. Neodivergence baby. But in the twenty but my school did the best they could with that twenty tens model. Like they generally like supported my hustle. Like that skill brought out the hustle in me. I remember I was like going door to door selling books for like four night to nine, selling it to every staff member I could at like two o'clock a an afternoon. I'd be like selling CDs, I was I was selling CDs at school fair, I was

By selling books, I mean like I was writing books. Like I when was young yeah, when I like twelve, thirteen, I wrote this whole like two book series on on this hacker and there's I called it Torrent Escape. And I can't lie, I read it now, I'm like, wow Like first of all it was pretty brutal. Second of all, it's kinda revealing, like, you know, I talked to like women Gemini or the AI chatbots a lot.

Esteban Candelario (01:04:14.331) really? That's insane.

Asendo (01:04:39.118) Like I feel like that's partly the reason why 'cause I'm able to like reflect on stuff, you know, find out about stuff using my own thoughts. And, you know, I know the limitations of it. I know that I have to tell it to stop glazing on me all the time because I mean it's a robot. Like, let's be honest. But it has generally helped talking to it has generally helped me. Like figure out stuff. Especially like Audum and the process of unmasking.

Esteban Candelario (01:04:47.87) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (01:04:53.63) Mm-hmm.

Asendo (01:05:08.92) Like masculine's when you're like trying to hide parts of yourself to fit in to basically be less autistic or more neurodivergent, not more neurotypical. Or try not be more autistic. I was already doing that quite well, but the thing is, like there's certain parts of me like where I was ignoring like my body cues, like right here, there's this hand flopping right here.

This is like the most autistic thing you could do. But the thing is, this is like the release valve for like what's it called? There's a release valve for like I feel a charge right here. And basically that charge is because I'm taking in all these little details. You know how let's say you're at shops, you're or no, you're at a coffee shop, sitting right next to someone, and you you can kinda like filter out everything they're saying just to focus on them.

Esteban Candelario (01:05:43.294) Mm-hmm.

Asendo (01:06:06.754) I ain't got that. I'm taking in I'm taking in every single little detail. I remember I was with my gran at like Costa. I was hearing the COVID announcements before I was hearing her. Like the ones that were telling me, Hey, please stay six feet away from folk. Like I was hearing that at the same volume I was hearing my gran. Just my grand kinda spoke a little bit more softly. Like I was like I thought I was having hearing issues 'cause I just started doing music stuff properly.

Esteban Candelario (01:06:08.638) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (01:06:18.216) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (01:06:25.886) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (01:06:35.794) Ha ha.

Asendo (01:06:35.832) But no no no no no. That was not it. That was an awesome thing. And I didn't realize that until the scare. So I ended up

So end up having to like figure out I end up realizing how to regulate, like through like unlearning my stigma of like hand flopping and stimming stimming, which is like regulation, you know, repetitive behaviors, whatever you want to call it. Stimming. Like stuff to stimulate yourself. Like why did you think I hold that paper that clip? but with that, I end basically resetting my nervous system in one day.

I should know, an hour. Like just doing like extremely intense hand flapping, exhaling all the trapped air I had in me. And I swear, when I I w it was like I went from seven twenty P to four K. Like I I started hearing the details, like the crazy thing about autumn is like when you're like regulated you can you can listen to a song and effortly like cycle through the drums in it. Like I could be focusing on the exact eight to eight pattern then

I can hear the hi hats like si individually. It's like you're like it's like you're sifting through different layers. And that's with melodies as well. And like you experience everything at four K It's such an amazing feeling, like and there might be a little bit of actually it's not really pain if you unmask. But like it's one of the craziest things about being autistic is that you know, you start learning stuff and

Wait, what was original point? What was the original point?

Esteban Candelario (01:08:18.666) no, you're good. Well well first things first, I wanna say this. Like the fact that your school is having you write books and selling them, it's like I always tell people no one's born a hustler, everyone's made a hustler. So I I think that's exactly why you're so good at networking now.

Asendo (01:08:31.032) To be to be honest, I think my I think my skill actually assisting me, like I already kinda like wanted to, you know, do a little bit of write it, maybe write a book. Maybe maybe I wanted to run a little shopping skill. They turned on to a superstar, but I was the one that put the tip jar. I was the one who put the tip jar and told people to donate in there. They funded Jason Davidson Foundation, funding my Steam Library since twenty sixteen. And that was in twenty sixteen. Or I was

Esteban Candelario (01:08:35.624) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (01:08:43.846) Ha ha ha.

Esteban Candelario (01:08:55.4) There is

Asendo (01:09:00.624) s or maybe I wanted to do a little bit of writing. my teacher at the time, Jimmy, he taught me how to write, how how to do like creative writing. I wrote two books. And I saw those at the school fairs and stuff. I ended up making remember I was running a sixty forty split forty on my side and I was still making like a hundred.

Esteban Candelario (01:09:20.658) Crazy.

Asendo (01:09:21.602) Like I'm pretty sure I was still making like some nice money off of that.

Esteban Candelario (01:09:26.942) Yeah, I mean a hundred for a hundred dollars for me as like a fourteen, thirteen year old, that's a lot. That's a lot of I mean yeah, at the time that's a lot of money. I wish that was still a lot of money for me now. I don't even I don't even feel like a thousand is a lot anymore. It sucks. But but yeah, man. They honestly they they my bad if I'm interrupting, but they kinda put something in you that you didn't even realize you necessarily needed until the right time. And then I know you like talked about like just like regulating yourself. I I'll be honest, I don't even think most people without autism know how to regulate themselves. Like, especially unmasking.

Asendo (01:09:35.529) Ha ha.

Yeah, I feel like but

Esteban Candelario (01:09:56.253) I think a lot of people think self control is what's necessary because throughout life we learn boundaries, but sometimes those boundaries box us in and you know, for whatever reason, you know, we d our interpretation. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Asendo (01:10:06.262) Yeah. I feel like a lot of people fall learn scripts and then they follow down and they never they never question it. And it's not like some blow and third white third eye open stay woke kinda stuff. No no no no. This is like realizing like like some of the stuff like s like some of the social standards are not like are arbitrary. That's something with autism that I've noticed is that I've noticed like

Esteban Candelario (01:10:29.49) Yeah.

Asendo (01:10:33.772) Like I'll kinda like casually disregard some like social norms or social whatever. Whatever you're not supposed to do in public. Like if it like people forget us, but politeness is not like hiding parts of yourself or talking behind people or whatever. Nah, it's holding the door open for blowing fat for people, it's helping your neighbours, it's saying please and thank you. That's politeness, that's kindness. It's helping folk. But

Like sacrificing yourself is only acceptable to a certain degree. Like you don't want to hide yourself ever.

Esteban Candelario (01:11:08.878) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (01:11:12.966) I agree, dude. And no, yeah, I no, I agree. And like I you do have a lot of self awareness, honestly, 'cause a lot of a lot of people without autism don't even think like that or don't act like that. Or they act a certain way just because of the boundaries that are set on them. And I mean for some people it can hurt it can hurt their confidence or how ba or how they go about life, you know. And I think most of it happens when you're children, you know, and then

Asendo (01:11:13.276) yeah, go

Esteban Candelario (01:11:35.782) It's different for it's different for you, of course, because like your perception and how you perceive things are sometimes heightened or sometimes they're they're not filtered enough. Yeah, exactly.

Asendo (01:11:43.007) They're different. Like the the thing is like the crazy thing is like, you know, I there's a lot of stuff that I take in I take everything in with no filter, but once I've once it's taken in, like I can like organize it, figure out if I want it or not. And like for the stuff that's just arbitrary, like trying to think of a good example, like I don't know. Should I just not jump in public? Like just do a randomized jump, like

Esteban Candelario (01:12:09.382) Right. Yeah.

Asendo (01:12:11.384) Who says that like am I going to get arrested? No. Am I can I like just put them in like hand flap in public? Yeah, of course. Don't go in the hurt mail for that. If they're going to look at me weird, that's on them. Like this is twenty twenty six baby. Be yourself. If I'm going to wear that piece of clothing, yes, wear it. Like that

Esteban Candelario (01:12:29.052) Yeah. The the irony of it is like my bad if I'm drawing, but the irony of it is like, the more transparent you are, the more liked you are. Especially on the internet because there's people always have a facade and now people see to the facade because we've had what we've had Instagram for like over ten years now. So it's easy to see when someone's when someone's faking it or trying to have it like putting a facade up that we can obviously see the cars are rented or the money's not real or like you borrowed it or whatever the case is. but

I I'm curious 'cause I know you mentioned like how sometimes when you hear when you hear beats, it's like it's like you hear it in four K or like you hear you hear specific details that some people can't hear. So how does that help you lock in when you're making beats? Like what how is it for you and like what's your process?

Asendo (01:12:59.97) Hmm.

Asendo (01:13:12.334) okay, so I notice that like, you know, when you're a producer, like let's say you're you're typical, you start off, you make your first three four beat you make your first three beats, they're cold as hell. But by like beat five, you're let's say you're sitting down for a ten pack. By beat five you're just kinda like you're feeling a bit more drained, you're feeling a bit more mm, by beat eight, you're just like having to rely on formulas. Having to well not even like good formulas, just like

I'm just gonna knock out this 'cause I have to. So I feel like with Odson, like it's whether they're diverged like brain. It's actually kinda like opposite. The first three beats are my worst. Because that's me stuck warming up the engine. Like by the way, never ever try to make a beat from scratch. If you're if you're artistic. If you're artistic and you're trying to warm up the engine, do not make a beat from scratch for your first three beats. Trust me I've been there, made up mistake.

But once you get past like those three, four beats, like by beat ten, I'm like, boy, I'm like I start coming with my most creative ideas 'cause I'm just like get all the ideas out. I'm not too worried about perfectionism 'cause perfectionism is a myth to be. Like it's something people try to chase but never get. Like Kanye didn't sit there trying to make everything perfect on one goal. He made one hundred and sixty demos of Hurricane. Like that

Esteban Candelario (01:14:30.334) Asendo (01:14:41.09) Let's do it's like most tested guy possible. Like I'm I'm not even saying that as a joke. I'm not even saying that as a joke. Like generally he I see him myself with him.

Esteban Candelario (01:14:43.838) Probably. Yeah.

Asendo (01:14:54.102) After hours, if you get what I mean. No, I'm just gonna but yeah, he's

Esteban Candelario (01:15:00.734) How many beats have you sorry, how many what's the most amount of beats you made in a day? I'm just curious.

Asendo (01:15:05.678) thirty one.

Esteban Candelario (01:15:07.612) In a day? In twenty four hours? Complete beats? And how many of them do you think were good? Like out of the thirty one?

Asendo (01:15:08.738) Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Asendo (01:15:18.126) I mean, who am I to judge? Like live let artists judge that. But I vote I mean that I like about twenty seven.

Esteban Candelario (01:15:20.552) Well how many did you like?

Esteban Candelario (01:15:26.824) Twenty seven out of thirty one's good, man. I can't

Asendo (01:15:28.546) Yeah, but the thing but the thing is, one man's trash is another man's treasure, so whatever I think is trash, I'll still send it out because as long as like the eight eights are in key and the mix is kinda like on point, I'm going to send it out. But by kinda on point, I just mean like, you know, it's possible. if an eight eights are in key, then I'm gonna send that crap out because like an art whatever might not excite me will excite an artist. I'm just a vessel. I'm just a vessel making beats, like

Esteban Candelario (01:15:31.122) Huh. Facts.

Esteban Candelario (01:15:53.883) That's true.

Asendo (01:15:58.863) The artist is the one that's going to hear what I might not hear in a certain beat. There's beats that artists have chosen, I'm like, really? That one? Sure?

Esteban Candelario (01:16:04.478) That's true.

Esteban Candelario (01:16:09.342) It's always like that. I feel like it's always like that. So do you send out every single beat you make? Like like it doesn't matter. Like if you make it you just send it?

Asendo (01:16:18.454) I try to like the thing is like one thing I find slightly annoying by myself is that I I forgot I forgot what I was gonna say. Like I just keep not sending out enough, like like I know I was like I'll leave like five, ten day gaps by just like 'cause I'm so like doing our stuff. And it's not even like by doing other stuff I mean like mostly just chilling. Like, you know, doing my life and I'm like, huh?

I'm not sending to that guy in five weeks? How? It feels like yesterday. Like time p it feels like time flies. So so like you have to keep on it every day. Like remind yourself like actually like DM DM these people. Like actually send beats to these people every day. Or every two days. Like I've already got like a fuckload of beats. Like I've already made

You want to know how many beats I've made since March twenty twenty one?

Esteban Candelario (01:17:21.138) Six hundred. I'm just gonna guess six hundred.

Asendo (01:17:23.788) Way higher, way, way, way, way way higher.

Esteban Candelario (01:17:26.782) Two thousand.

Asendo (01:17:28.162) Higher

Esteban Candelario (01:17:30.014) Five thousand.

Asendo (01:17:31.18) Remember, this is March twenty twenty one, since then.

Esteban Candelario (01:17:33.99) twenty twenty one. dude, I don't know. Yeah, how many?

Asendo (01:17:37.395) seven thousand. Seven point two thousand. But but that's kind of inaccurate 'cause there's about eighty, ninety, maybe a hundred of them that I've deliberately put in a do not use folder. 'Cause the produ because I've had times where I found out that the the co producers are racist or found out that the co producer is like there's bad business or the co producer's an absolute dickhead.

Esteban Candelario (01:17:39.486) Shit.

Asendo (01:18:07.256) But seriously, th all three of those have hadn't happened to be at one point. I remember this one guy. Like he's kinda like ripping off QB stuff. He was like a full blown like Trumper, like I'm talking and I mean that in like the worst way possible, like he's strapped a racist. And I was like, no, get out with my bl get out my blue and DMs. I ain't trying to deal with that like I got love for my folk. I ain't trying to blowin' like fair enough if you have your own beliefs and all that.

Esteban Candelario (01:18:20.862) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (01:18:33.534) I hear it

Asendo (01:18:36.408) But bloody hell, like I store a line of discrimination. Fully.

Esteban Candelario (01:18:41.522) think everyone does but but hey but hey man I think I mean your story your story is insane and I think I mean I can't I can't speak for autistic people because I just don't know where you know what their perspective perspective would be. But I feel like some people like would see it as a limitation for themselves or other people from the outside looking in look at you might see it as a limitation and like you I don't know you've just you've just done it. You've just been living life and I think I

Asendo (01:18:42.934) Yeah.

Asendo (01:19:04.792) Yeah. I mean I'll be honest, like I used to think it was a limitation as well, like when I was younger. But that's kinda like then that's what I've learned. Like think about what I can do, not what I can't do. Like yeah, there's stuff that I ha that I can't do or haven't done, like I've not been outside the UK, I've not had a session outside Scotland. That never stopped me from doing stuff, like I know that let's say I go to America, I probably couldn't cope with it.

Like I couldn't even like exact like especially like when I was like between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty six, I could not do I definitely know in retrospect I could not do those sessions. Like hanging around a bunch of like yes men, loud environments. all the you know, it's just not it's not something I'm really into. It's not something that I know I would have, you know, coped with was without burnout. And I don't want to inflict that pain on me, so

Yeah, so I don't so I'm also just stick to getting people to my hometown because you know anyone can say hey when you come to Atlanta, when are you coming to New York? Anyone could say that. But when have you ever heard someone say come to Scotland, I'll give you Scottish hospitality? No one said that. Which is because which makes me unique because come to Scotland. If you're a producer, come to Scotland, I'll show you the hospitality, come to Glasgow.

And I'll show you exactly what's up.

Esteban Candelario (01:20:34.042) sick man. I would I mean hopefully one day I can make it to Glasgow. It sounds like I don't know. I've never I've actually I've only been outside the US one time and it was nowhere near like Europe or the UK. But but dude, it was in the it was it was in the Bahamas. It wasn't nothing crazy. It was it's really close, yeah, we're very close.

Asendo (01:20:45.742) Where was that? What was a Canada?

Asendo (01:20:52.123) Wait, is the Bahamas is the B is your Bahamas kinda like how like Magalouf or you know it's like Party Island kind of thing?

Esteban Candelario (01:21:01.692) Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like it's like not too far from the US.

Asendo (01:21:03.158) Okay. Okay, so is it like kinda a little bit chashy?

Esteban Candelario (01:21:08.339) No, no. Nah, it's just touristy. It's just some parts are really touristy because like, you know, you go on cruises and then like you but anyway, that's besides.

Asendo (01:21:10.38) Nah.

Yeah, I just mean like I just mean like toasty and trashy like 'cause like that's kinda like what parts of America or places you go if you want trashy and toasty.

Esteban Candelario (01:21:25.048) So I mean I just want to say it is. For every first off, America's huge. Like America's way bigger than the UK. It's it's gigantic. Like if you look on a map, it's like it's huge. And for every place you go in, there's beautiful places and then just trash places. That's like either any country, any continent. but but genuinely, like for me personally, and I'm not even speaking 'cause I'm an American, there's so many beautiful places here. There's so many different climates, there's so many things to see. And that's why that's why a lot of times you see like US people.

people from the United States, they don't have passports because like why do we need it if we can go to California or I can go to New York or like I can go to Colorado, like you know, and they're all different. They're all extremely different. but I forgot what the what you were asking. but yeah, I don't know. As far as trashy places, yeah as far as trashy there's trashy places everywhere here, but there's also more I think there's more beautiful places here than there are trashy. But you're gonna run into it.

Asendo (01:22:03.235) Yeah.

I was I was asking for like

Asendo (01:22:12.642) Yeah. Wait, wait, no no no what what I mean is what I mean is it's like you know, you go there if you wanna get drunk like spring break kinda like that type of pla that type of place is like where you'd see all the like the what's it called?

Esteban Candelario (01:22:25.751) Yeah you're gonna see that in you're gonna see that in Atlanta, you're gonna see that in Daytona, you're gonna see especially like spring break, maybe Miami, like places like that. Yeah, yeah.

Asendo (01:22:38.252) Miami, that's the one. That I'll I'll use Miami for example. Like Miami is kinda like the we've got like Skinfoss, which is in Greece. There's always like places where they do like package holidays. You go there and you get your hotel, you get your thing and you'll get your flights. You'll end up on a jet two holiday because nothing beats that. And yes, that see that not having bites a jet two holiday meme, you know that one.

Esteban Candelario (01:23:07.432) Mm. I do.

Asendo (01:23:08.226) Okay, so did you know that in Scott in the UK we had to suffer for that for like six years? Every single cinema advertisement, every single TV advertisement, it was nothing, beats a jet to holiday. Like you Americans only just got it last year. And yeah, you only got it for yesterday for a TikTok trend. We had to suffer for it for six years, every single advertisement. It was

Esteban Candelario (01:23:14.342) It's

Esteban Candelario (01:23:28.114) Really? That's crazy.

Esteban Candelario (01:23:36.894) It's hilarious.

Asendo (01:23:37.324) Nothing pizza jetty holy nothing piece of jetty holy darling hold my hand I nah you're welcome. You go you discovered dar you discovered our pain.

Esteban Candelario (01:23:42.782) Well I guess you're welcome. I guess you're welcome. I guess the

what was I gonna say? But dang man. I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap it up. I really enjoyed the conversation and I think you're a really cool dude. And I think I mean the shit that you done is actually crazy in a short amount of time and you've done more things than most people have. I definitely mean more than me, myself, actually. But I w before we go, I just wanna say, is there anything you wanna add, anything you wanna plug or anything you wanna say before we dip?

Asendo (01:24:13.422) Okay, okay, okay, let's do this.

Esteban Candelario (01:24:15.024) Okay.

Asendo (01:24:22.382) Okay, make sure to check out my t check my tits, no. Make sure to kit check out my kits, payhep.com slash one asendo. Like I'll be putting up some crazy this up there. I'll just put out my landlord mini kit. That's got fifteen more coldest loops, ten more vocal chops, that's five quid. Or five dollars. Check that out. And also, you know, I just hit me up for beats and all that, you know, Landlord Scotland baby.

Esteban Candelario (01:24:50.79) Awesome man. And then did you give your Instagram? What's your Instagram? Where can they find you?

Asendo (01:24:54.422) And my Instagram is one asendo one acendo.

Esteban Candelario (01:24:59.816) That's one with the number one or O N E Ascendo? Okay. One Ascendo. Dude, awes Yes sir. Awesome meeting you bro. I really enjoyed the time and yeah, brother. Thank you.

Asendo (01:25:01.406) One yeah, number one sam do. We are number one a tem them.

Asendo (01:25:15.791) I appreciate you my guy. I deeply appreciate you. Have a great day.