From Paraguay to 109 Million Streams: Madatracker

Esteban Candelario (00:02.114) Hey guys, welcome back to Producer Talk. My name is Esteban, your host. And if you're new here, this is the podcast where we sit down with producers to break down what's actually working in today's music business. Producer Talk is presented by Producer Fury, the platform that helps producers find artists in their niche and reach out to them with confidence instead of spending hours searching for the right artists. Today I'm joined by Madatracker. We're going to talk about how they built a full-time production career from Paraguay, generated over 800,000 plays on BeatStars, and earned production credits.

On songs that have gone to reach over 109 million streams on Spotify, along with some of the lessons he's learned along the way. Madatracker, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing?

Madatracker (00:37.698) Hey man, cannot complain. Just here working all day. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (00:41.154) Love that. I love that man. So, I mean, let's just get started from the beginning. How did your music journey initially start?

Madatracker (00:47.852) Well basically when I was young I took piano lessons. I didn't want to but my family basic basically they forced me. But but it ended ended up being like a really helpful 'cause the pia piano is like the mother of all instruments. So yeah, it helped me a lot. So I'm gr I'm grateful for that. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (00:59.864) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (01:15.712) Nice. No, that's so that's so interesting, especially when kids are forced to do something and it like it pays off in the end, like when they become adults. so piano was your first introduction. What age did you say it was again? What age did you start playing piano? Okay, so at eight years old, then where do you go from there? Do you move on to other instruments or do you run into like a doll? Like or where does the journey really go from there?

Madatracker (01:22.669) Yeah.

Madatracker (01:27.118) Sorry. eight eight years old. Yeah.

Madatracker (01:39.104) Yeah, 'cause I I always wanted to be a guitar player. So and I asked my dad to buy a guitar because I I couldn't obviously. So yeah, he he bought it. and I just learned, I mean, I I had a book and I started to to read that book since and I already know how to play the piano, so it was kinda easier.

to to learn the guitar. So yeah, I started and I a lot by ear as well. A lot. I just listen to rock bands and so on and I practice every day. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (02:14.808) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (02:20.842) Mm. Speak speaking of rock bands, when did you get the introduction into your first rock band? Eventually you become a musician, right? A guitarist. So, you know, where does that start for you? At what age and what was the process like? Mm.

Madatracker (02:34.582) I was earlier and was basically at six years old because my sister introduced me to Guns N' Roses and it was crazy. Like a really crazy band and also they have like really good songs. For me at least. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (02:53.24) Mm-hmm. And were when did you start your band or did you join a band at one time?

Madatracker (02:59.882) Yeah, I started basically when I was fifteen years old. No, sixteen years old, maybe, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (03:08.76) Mm-hmm. That's cool. And I I mean, what were you doing at sixteen? Were you just like practicing in the garage? Like kinda sounds like a movie almost, but like what what was that what was that like for you?

Madatracker (03:18.422) Yeah, at my room. Just at my room practicing and then at school I have like two bandmates basically. I mean t one played the drums and the other play the bass. And and we said let's start a band. And we play cover as always. As everybody, yeah. And we did it for the concert that the school used to do.

Esteban Candelario (03:36.352) Mm. Nice.

Esteban Candelario (03:46.874) Madatracker (03:46.93) every year. No, we played there and it was cool. And yeah, I I I always wanted to be in a band. Always. That was my goal. But I ended up being like a producer.

Esteban Candelario (03:58.904) Right.

Hm. Okay. So where where does the evolution come from? Like going from like a bandmate in high school? Did you continue being in a rock band as an adult and then fall into producing? Like how did that go?

Madatracker (04:12.916) Yeah, cause we recorded our fair first demo and and originals, original songs. it it didn't sound great. But but ca not cause we played bad. It's just something is not well missed. I don't know. I didn't know how to play in that ma in that moment. But

Esteban Candelario (04:28.28) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (04:32.258) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (04:41.846) And always when we recorded something, it doesn't it didn't sound good. So I got interested in that how I know I I know that there's missing something that hasn't to be with the musicians but with the production itself. I didn't know that was production. I just and then I started I bought a PC

Esteban Candelario (04:57.654) Hmm.

Esteban Candelario (05:03.384) Madatracker (05:10.542) And I bought a a mixer and then I just used the own board interface. I connected the mixer and I started recording my own band. And yeah, it worked. I mean my intuition just guided me and I was mixing and I was tweaking tweaking things and so on and yeah. That

Esteban Candelario (05:32.92) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (05:39.626) really imp improved the the sound, the overall song. And that's when I basically started to become a producer because I I knew how to write as well, like MIDI things and arrange arrangement and so on. So yeah, that that's where I started. And then I started to record my my

Esteban Candelario (05:44.098) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (05:52.984) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (05:56.46) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (06:05.398) other musicians, friends that they have bands and so on and I started like that. people started to come here 'cause I was like doing a a good job making them sound good. So that was basically when I started

Esteban Candelario (06:11.17) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (06:24.704) That makes sense. It's it sounds really natural too, you know, especially people coming up to you or your friends joining you. so my question is you said like you kind of followed your intuition and figured it out. How do you figure it out from scratch? Because you mentioned learning like guitar from a book and then playing it, but you have like the piano as like the foundation, so that helped a lot. So when you're going into mixing and mastering, which I think is like the hardest part of production, what are you are you comparing it to like songs you like, like from Guns N' Roses, or are you just going strictly off your ear?

Like how is your intuition guiding you and then how are you learning like what's right and wrong, especially when you're starting from zero?

Madatracker (06:59.752) Yeah, yeah. listening to a lot of bands. noticing that the drums sounds really good, sounds like I don't know, my intuition like like you said else I

You s you you listen to something like the drums has something and and there's that was the compressor. Okay, that was the compressor, do that, okay. They equalization do this and that. And then you just start experimenting and and yeah, and comparing. Comparing a lot with with what I used to listen, Sepultura, Hansen Roses, Nirvana, Metallica and so on.

Esteban Candelario (07:19.354) Esteban Candelario (07:29.218) Mm.

Madatracker (07:37.174) Linking Park and those bands. So yeah, comparing, comparing, comparing. And try to sound like that. Tweaking tweaking everything and so on. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (07:43.639) Yeah.

Mm-hmm. I don't I feel like a lot of people don't realize like making mistakes is like the basis of like all success. You know, so like can you talk about that portion? Cause you said like you were testing things and you realized the compressor did this and this did that. So like I feel like me personally, I'm really hard on myself when I make mistakes, but it's necessary for them to be made for you to learn. So how do you how long do you think it really took you to get to where you're at now or consider or w where you consider yourself good? You know, and then how many years, how many songs?

You think it took? Yeah.

Madatracker (08:16.266) A lot. A lot. Yeah. Cause when I do a mix I I listen over and over again and I redo and redo till it sounds really good. But that's that's how do you say like you you always evolu how do you say evolutionar? Do you evolution evolve, yeah, you always evolve. So

Esteban Candelario (08:26.028) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (08:38.072) Yeah, evolution. Evolve. Yeah.

Madatracker (08:43.466) Let's see let's say I I listened to something like from fifteen years ago that I did. I I will say, man, this is not so good and so on. Yeah, so you always evolve and you always learn something new. But yeah, it took a lot of time. Took a lot of time in trial and errors. And and and and also watching YouTube tutorials and so on. So y yeah.

Esteban Candelario (08:53.941) Yeah.

Mm, hmm.

Esteban Candelario (09:09.272) YouTube university. Yeah. No, that's cool. So how long were you recording bands for before you transitioned to like Beatstars? And then what made you even get into Beat Stars?

Madatracker (09:11.146) Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well

Madatracker (09:23.298) Basically it was like six years. Six years before that. yeah, 'cause Paraguay's not big and you don't have you don't have too many rock bands. Maybe today more more than more than before, but we are like a pretty pretty small scene, music scene. So yeah, we know each other like you can ever you can know every everyone here.

Esteban Candelario (09:33.378) Madatracker (09:50.958) So yeah, so basically the they wanted to to come here and record 'cause I I also I'm I'm chill. I I don't judge when I record and and I just let it flow, basically, and then and then mix and master and deliver the work.

Esteban Candelario (10:02.85) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (10:12.482) Mm-hmm. You mentioned like you're you're not judgmental. And I know like a lot of times engineers when they record, sometimes part of the job is recording artists that suck. So I mean, can you talk about that process? Did does that matter to you at all? Or in the beginning you really didn't care because you knew maybe you sucked too and they were kind of growing with you at the same time? Like what's that like from your perspective? I'm curious.

Madatracker (10:37.654) Yeah, basically I would like people to come like they they already practice and so on. but not always the case. But I I have patience. I have patience and I I

Esteban Candelario (10:50.181) Madatracker (10:53.846) I make them repeat and repeat and and then maybe tell them that next time they can practice a little more and so on. So but at the end of it all of it all the they didn't waste their money and their time. So it's easier for them if they already come like practiced. I don't know.

Esteban Candelario (11:08.166) Esteban Candelario (11:16.439) Yeah.

Madatracker (11:18.316) But not a big deal. Not a big deal really. 'Cause you can do for parts. Okay, you small parts, you record and then start from there. This is not too hard as well. And they can learn as well while they are they are recording. So not a big deal for me. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (11:37.091) Mm. I know you mentioned Paraguay doesn't have like a really big scene and that's kind of like the reason why you hopped online. And I feel like a lot of like for example, if you don't live like in LA, New York, maybe Florida, like it's kinda hard to have like a find a good music scene. So when you transition into beat stars, did you have like a strategy? Did you know what you were doing? Or like, you know, what was it like in the beginning trying to go from in person recording to just releasing beats online?

Madatracker (12:03.456) Hmm. Yeah, when I started I started with hip hop beats, hip hop beats. Cause that's basically what I was seeing in the in the YouTube and Bipstars. And I I when I listened to something, I can reproduce that. So I s I said, yeah, I can do hip hop beats. But it wasn't my thing really. So rock was my thing. And I I said, well, okay, I can.

I should try to make rock beats. Yeah, and I started to make rock beats and that a lot easier for me and the workflow was better and so on. And I knew or I know how a rock beat should sound like. So yeah, that's what I and when I started to upload like Nirvana, Nirvana type beats, and then I started to upload and like

corn, new metal. And yeah, people started to buy it. Like not not a lot, right? But but I I I I also sold some hip hop bits. Yeah, I remember that. I remember. But it was easier and it was more like the rock bits, but was easier for me. And people started to realize that yeah, this is a good instrumental that I can use.

Esteban Candelario (13:10.114) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (13:18.475) Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (13:24.392) Right.

Esteban Candelario (13:33.553) Is there a difference in like the type of person that buys a hip hop beat and the type of person that buys a rock beat? I only say that because a lot of producers I've worked with or I talk to, like just rappers are just so unreliable. They're so inconsistent. You know what I mean? They're they're too cool, you know, they're just too cool. So like it do you see like a difference in the type of person that buys a hip hop beat and a rock beat or or no? Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (13:47.714) Ha ha.

Madatracker (13:55.328) Yeah, could be, could be. But I don't have too many experience with rappers. But but I heard. I heard that people said that. Yeah, some producers used to say that I don't know, maybe a rock rock type guy is like I don't know how to explain, like more loyal to to the genre and so on and

Esteban Candelario (14:00.343) Mm-hmm. True.

Esteban Candelario (14:17.322) Uh-huh.

Madatracker (14:20.022) And they can how do you say like they appreciate the the work and some something like that, maybe?

Esteban Candelario (14:24.506) Esteban Candelario (14:27.938) No, I I agree. I agree. It's a little too easy to rap nowadays. So I I agree. so did you see a big uptick when you kind of transitioned from hip hop to to rock? Because it makes more sense since that was like your background. After like the consistency of dropping the rock beats, when did it like officially start like taking off for you? You have almost a million plays total. So on Beat Stars. So when did you start seeing like the uptrend for yourself? Was it, you know

Later, in the beginning, in the middle, part of the time when you're releasing on B Stars.

Madatracker (15:00.876) Basically in the beginning 'cause I just released like let's say let's see, maybe five hip hop beats. And then after that those five I just I just started to upload and rock beats. And then after that maybe it took like one half and I and I one year and a half.

Maybe it was when I I I I sold one no three bits that I sold with the unlimited unlimited lease. And I think the bits are in that moment at least when you saw when you sell something like big, like $350, something like that, they like they'll put you on the on the feet.

Put you on the feet. so people that that are in the in the platform platform, they see. They see the top charts top rock charts producers and so on. And and that's where I I started to see the how do you say the uprising? I don't know how you say it, like

Esteban Candelario (16:06.871) Interesting.

Esteban Candelario (16:17.088) Excuse me. Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (16:19.636) And and yeah, and YouTube also. YouTube people started to to notice that the bits are good and so on and they they they give the like and comment and that that fit the algorithm algorithm and then you start to get noticed, basically.

Esteban Candelario (16:22.498) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (16:39.148) Yeah. I mean it's interesting because with like for example hip hop beats, people just rap over it, but with like rock beats, it's a little bit different because you have like instrumentalists and musicians playing that music. So were the people buying your rock beats just vocalists or were they also in a band and they just really like the beat, wrote to it, sang to it and had their band playing? Like how does that process work? Is it any different?

Madatracker (17:05.96) Most of them they were vocalists. But but I have a l a lot of cases as well that they have a band and they wanted to use my instrumental or list the instrumental and then play with the band. And basically their vocalists just start to put the melody over the instrumental. So the the the the process for them is really easier.

Esteban Candelario (17:11.864) Uh-huh.

Madatracker (17:34.422) So they just how do you say like they reproduce the song by ear and basically the vocalist is the one that started to to write some melodies over this. So yeah, there's a lot of cases in the in the that they play live using my instrumentals and they ended up buying or leasing or maybe they won the exclusive for that instrumental as well.

yeah. 'Cause the the the process when you do when you start a band at least and you you do your own song

your structure is different and maybe my structure is like really commercial. It's like it's to the point and it's everything it's like you have a product already a product. And when you are recording with your band and you are going through that process and for them what's easier to just, okay, this is basically already done. So it's it's faster.

It depends on the on the musician as well, 'cause some musicians they want you to do everything and that's okay. Every everybody's different, so I don't judge them. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (18:50.232) At this point, you know, when you start seeing like an uprising people buying your beats because you follow your intuition and you transition to selling rock beats exclusively. So were you doing this full time, like producing recording, or were you kind of like working a job and like making money on the side, or did you just go online all in on this?

Madatracker (19:11.53) Yeah, but what I had I used to have how do you say store where I sell video games basically PlayStation and I rent as well. I was like it was how I started basically but I had a job in in a local channel TV channel. Then from there I I used to

teach guitar and piano. Basically that money I for and with that money I started my store, my video game store. And then from my video game store I started to buy buy the thing and the gear for the studio. And then I got some clients that started to to record here.

Esteban Candelario (19:52.51) really.

Esteban Candelario (19:59.619) Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Madatracker (20:09.568) And that was like a cycle basically. And then I started to to dedicate more to the studio and my store. And I left the job. And then I left the store and focused more on the studio. And after that I I did a B start thing and they that's basically the everything was just full time producer from there.

Esteban Candelario (20:11.768) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (20:17.943) Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (20:35.64) That's such a random side, also. selling selling games and renting is so random. That's but that's cool though. I mean, I mean you're a hustler, bro. Like you invested, you took, you took, because at the end of the day, you know, your job takes time away from you. So you found a way to make more money, to spend less time there, and then took that money and put it back into what you wanted to do, and then you ended up doing that full time, you know. And I think a lot of producers.

Madatracker (20:51.223) Yeah.

Madatracker (20:55.734) Yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (20:58.488) A lot of producers have a hard time finding stability. I mean, at the end of the day, especially in the music business, even if you're an artist, it's very, very difficult. But I mean, clearly you gotta be doing something else in the beginning. It's really, really hard to go all in and then you know, and then hope it works, which you know, in some cases it does, most cases it doesn't. So when you're doing this, right, you know, you got your your game store business going and then you kind of transition to the studio full time.

Madatracker (21:09.92) Yeah. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (21:24.308) When did you get the opportunity with the artist that had that one song that has over one hundred and nine million views on Spotify? Like how did that happen? Did that happen from s did she buy beat from your Beat Stars? Did you reach out to her? Like how did that opportunity come into play for?

Madatracker (21:41.376) Yeah, this artist just bought the the beat and she put melody over it and it started to to be a hit. Like but yeah, she is really good at promoting her stuff. She's really good. I think that was as well, I mean, a part of that, besides the the the the good music, right? 'Cause she's she has a really cool voice. Cool voice and

I think all that together, all together she put all together and promoting well and so on and started to rise. and yeah, she started to tour or to all the all the United States.

And yeah, and and that was the hit. That was the the the the song that you you closed the event. How how do you say that? You finish with we you finish with that song, basically. So people wait for that song basically. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (22:36.031) Mm. The met the yeah.

Okay.

Mm. That's crazy. Have you ever seen her perform your beat live or her song with Your Beat Live? Really? my what does that feel like? That must be insane. Like hearing people like sing word for word.

Madatracker (22:53.774) Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. I also watched YouTube tutorial that that but the the guy didn't do the the exact how I do it how how I did. Yeah, it was different. But it's okay. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (22:55.308) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (23:00.556) No way.

Esteban Candelario (23:07.132) Esteban Candelario (23:10.69) Well can you remind me? I forget the artist in the song. What was the artist in the song again?

Madatracker (23:14.378) It's biolin biolin to buyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This I don't care. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (23:17.664) Ireland Meyer, that's right, that's right. And the and the song?

I don't care. Okay. I actually listened to it the first time we spoke. 'cause I was just curious. But I just I just thought that was insane. So it has a hundred and nine million million views now, but of course out the gate it didn't have a hundred and nine million. So w where was it at like after the first year, do you remember?

Madatracker (23:35.214) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (23:39.552) Yeah, maybe it was like seven million that is a lot. But then after after that, when she started to get recognized and so on and tour over the US US right. Yeah, it was like rising and rising and rising and I didn't expect that. But it was cool, of course. And I I was really happy for for her. And yeah, but it was gradual but from from the seven million

Esteban Candelario (23:43.126) A lot. Yeah, still a lot.

Madatracker (24:08.782) From there it was like faster. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause

Esteban Candelario (24:11.266) Hmm. Was she already was she already signed to a label or was she independent at that time?

Madatracker (24:18.316) Independent. Yeah. Independent. Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (24:19.744) Okay. So how was she 'cause you mentioned she just did a really good job of like promoting it. So what like did you see her strategy or notice anything different that she was doing compared to other artists?

Madatracker (24:31.51) she's like like that how do you say like I I I don't know, I don't remember right now. The term. The culture action and those things. She's really she's really good. Like the the intro, the hook is fast and then culture action and like she repeated that a lot. And yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (24:43.529) Mm, okay. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (24:53.13) Mm-hmm. So a lot of a lot of videos on social media with the call to action at the end of the video. Interesting. Interesting. so can you talk about the business side of things? You know, you know, she was independent. So how do you go into talking about the splits and the royalties? Is that something you do in the beginning or after they record the song? And like what's that process like for you? Because of course you didn't know it was gonna hit 109 million views, right? At that time. So what's what's the business side like for you?

And then like what were the terms going into that music or into that song?

Madatracker (25:27.382) And basically the the terms are the publishing side of this and she she contacted me as well. she wanted the exclusive I mean as exclusive the bit as exclusive. But she's

She didn't I mean we didn't go in in that we didn't go into that r yet 'cause she she was really busy last year. I I talked to her lawyer and lawyer, lawyer, how'd they say lawyer? Yeah. and yeah we are we are in that part but as the publishing side of that is my rights, all right. So I already have the the split.

Esteban Candelario (25:58.777) Mm-hmm. Okay. Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (26:12.876) But we are like negotiating negotiating, how do you say? Negotiating. and we are going exclusive maybe I I think this year. yeah, yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (26:17.218) Mm-hmm. You got it.

Esteban Candelario (26:24.524) Really? And how when did she release the song? How many years ago?

Madatracker (26:29.736) It it was two thousand twenty three. Yeah, three years ago. Yeah. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (26:32.93) Okay, so three years ago. So what is that like? Are you like chasing her lawyer down or like or you said she reached out to you, so I'm assuming she gave you her lawyer's contact info to you? Mm. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's cool. I know a lot of producers have trouble with artists who just don't contact them and their song blows up and like y they don't hear anything and they can't reach out to them. I talked to this one producer who got paid two hundred dollars.

Madatracker (26:43.86) Yeah, and the lawyer contacted me. He he contacted me. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (27:00.802) For a beat and the label pay them like seven months later. And it was like, you might as well just kept your t two hundred dollars. You know what mean? but but how do you handle the business side? Or is that not something you look at entirely? You just focus on the creative.

Madatracker (27:07.028) Okay. Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (27:15.712) Yeah, yeah. Basically creative side of the business. but I try to be consistent and then try to sell the beats and so on and also other things besides the the music. Yeah. But I I mean I'm more like a passionate passionate guy and

Esteban Candelario (27:32.12) Course. Yeah.

Madatracker (27:40.086) I just do what I love and maybe that love that kind of brings me the money. I don't know how to explain this. Not too b like na I have to make money. Nah but I don't I don't grounded. How does it like you are here in the earth, not just dreaming. But not too much like I have to make money or so Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (27:46.217) Mm-hmm. No, I get it.

Esteban Candelario (28:07.096) As far as other opportunities, did you have any other opportunities where you had beats, your beats on songs that hit millions of views besides that one?

Madatracker (28:16.79) Yeah, with the artist Peyton Parish. He made a lot of we made for him it's just exclusive. She he just conta contact me, contacted me, he asked for exclusive beats, custom ones. And yeah,

We have like maybe six six songs or more that hit two million, some three millions, in total more than ten millions or maybe more now. But yeah, he is my client and I have a lot a lot of other clients. But he's basically one of the more famous after Bio and Vira, basically. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (28:58.71) Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (29:02.614) Nice. And I mean you mentioned six songs with him. Like how did did you I mean I'm assuming you guys have a relationship since you're his since you're he's your client. So I mean, how do you go about like developing relationships or do you not even think about it? You kind of like let it happen.

Madatracker (29:17.848) Yeah, I just let it happen. If the guy contact contacts me and he's cool and he doesn't I mean he pays and everything and I I deliver as well. That's good. And he's a really good guy. Is that and how do you say that men on his word? Like really it's really cool. That for me that's that's amazing to work with with him.

Esteban Candelario (29:30.498) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (29:37.302) Yeah.

Madatracker (29:44.33) And I I always deliver, I always and tie on time and so on. So yeah, it's really easy for me. I if it is that way, right?

Esteban Candelario (29:54.265) So would you have two songs or more than two songs? I think what, seven songs? So you have six with Peyton. So when you have this many songs that have like millions of views, how do you like how do you price differently? Or does the price stay the same for you in terms of, you know, the work that you're gonna give to people if they ask for it? You know, does that change for you? And if it does, you know, how how so?

Madatracker (30:00.544) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (30:18.783) sorry, can can you repeat the question please?

Esteban Candelario (30:20.864) Yeah, so I was what I'm asking is after that success, right? You got a couple of songs with a lot or millions of views. When people want to record with you, when they wanna wan buy beats from you, when they wanna get exclusives, does the price change because of that? And if so, like, you know, how much do you change it by, right? Like how do you measure, you know, the price difference for yourself?

Madatracker (30:42.774) Yeah, what I do is yeah, it changed just not too much. But 'cause the work itself is like to takes a lot of time, so and you have to make it sound good and you have to make it sound catchy. So it's it's it's a a lot of work.

And it just changed like changed maybe a little more. And I I I let them know. Okay, so I work with him, I work with this. So right now my my rates are a little more than before and so on. maybe if the let's say the client wants I a pound rock, which is easier to do, maybe I can do some deal

Esteban Candelario (31:13.836) Mm.

Esteban Candelario (31:21.064) Hmm.

Esteban Candelario (31:28.77) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (31:33.354) Or to start. Yeah, and to start so we start from here and then if you come back maybe I can do a cheaper and so to something like that. But yeah, I cannot charge to to how do you say that? Charge less cause it's a lot of work and yeah. That's why

Esteban Candelario (31:35.426) Hmm.

Esteban Candelario (31:54.265) Course. Yeah. When you get that much recognition, is there like a like a huge flood of people like reaching out to you to that want to work with you? Or does it kind of like stay the same?

Madatracker (32:07.646) right now it's less, but at that time was a lot of people and reaching out on Instagram a lot. Had that inbox really full of inbo the inbox was full. And then with the time like going a little down, maybe, yeah. But still still. Huh?

Esteban Candelario (32:14.698) Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (32:25.1) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Was that over was that over was that overwhelming for you? Was it overwhelming for you to have all those people reaching out to you?

Madatracker (32:33.578) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause 'cause you have to do a lot of a lot of instrumentals. I mean custom ones. Custom ones. But you can I I mean I can handle it. I mean I c I can do it. I mean I I I don't like to then I just like say, okay, I'm busy so maybe in in in one month or two months or maybe two weeks. It depends on the situation. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (32:39.052) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (32:59.192) When go into making custom beats for people, is the creative process like the same? I know some people have formulas, or is it different every time you go into it or you base it just off what the artist wants?

Madatracker (33:09.622) It depends. Yeah, it depends on what the client wants. I always ask for for the examples. If they send me some exact exact examples so I can base on that and start from there. But my formula is always the how do you say the the structure is kinda the same. 'Cause that's

Esteban Candelario (33:19.91) huh.

Esteban Candelario (33:37.336) Mm.

Madatracker (33:39.234) That's basically what people want to hear. It's like intro and verse, pre chorus, chorus, then do the same basically. And then go to a bridge and then the outro chorus and outro. And that works almost all the time unless the client don't want that. But

Most of the time it's like the something natural and if the when they listen to the instrumental they say, okay. They know where to put the the parts, basically. It's like th most of the songs are like that. Most. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (34:21.41) How is it like being a cre because you you're a creative for a living, you know? Like me personally, I make beats for fun, but I don't think I could make beats to sell because that means I have to make beats every single day. And I've always run out of creativity. So like how do you manage to not run out of creativity and do you ever feel any pressure? Like, my gosh, I didn't I I can't think of anything for this course or anything like that, but I have to get paid. You know, I feel like I feel like people making it a living adds additional pressure to them. So do you feel that and do you ever like run out of creativity?

Madatracker (34:51.552) Yeah, maybe sometimes yeah, 'cause you you wake up and you don't have anything in your mind like and zero expi inspiration. But you can learn how to do that. It's like it's sometimes you you don't want to do anything but you you sit down and start doing so doing something and something sparks I mean, your n your your mind.

Or some inspiration or I just listen to music. Listen, listen to music. And then maybe one song for start to inspire me. I started but it's basically like like I don't know, going to the gym. Like you don't want to go one day, but if you go there and then start to working out and you you are cool. not the same 'cause it's creativity is different, but kinda the same. It's like you

You have to force yourself and maybe you ended up liking what you do. It's like it's discipline most of the time. And based on a formula as well, not not copy of of poor but when you have like the structure and so on. Structure. I don't know how to say. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (36:00.377) Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (36:13.458) you got it. Hmm. So so then is this something you do every day or do you have days off? Like some people treat it like a nine to five, I'm off on the weekend, or is this what you're doing every single day, treating it like a muscle, going to the gym?

Madatracker (36:27.508) I try to do it every day. So if I don't do a a a complete beat, I just record a guitar or some ideas or maybe the keyboard. Or maybe I can do just recording on my cell phone, the ideas and so on. But I try to do every day. So as you said, it's like a working out muscle of the mind basically. Yeah. and

Esteban Candelario (36:29.442) Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (36:54.23) Is do you ever sorry, do you ever get burnt out? Is that something you ever get tired of? I imagine.

Madatracker (36:59.138) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And just I just take breaks. Maybe twenty minutes or one hour or or maybe two hours. Or call the day off sometimes. Yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (37:13.173) Mm-hmm.

Do you get ever get tired of listening to music? Like I hear producers who say they don't like listening to music 'cause that's all like you know what I'm saying? All they do is listen to their own music. I know I know you mentioned you listen to music for inspiration when you like don't have no creativity, but in general, does making music every day make listening to music, other music, like not as enjoyable? Or or is it or is it more enjoyable for you?

Madatracker (37:38.72) Yeah, sometimes yes. Maybe well I when a friend comes here and we drink some beers, I don't want to listen to music. I just want to talk and no music. No music. Yeah, I I want to be in silence basically. but of course if if she or f or he wants wants to to listen, I I can listen. Yeah. But if it is for me, no. Huh?

Esteban Candelario (37:40.406) Esteban Candelario (37:47.293) Esteban Candelario (38:04.968) Mm. So

So when you're going throughout this process, right? You know, especially like, you know, in the beginning when you're working a job, starting a business and then using that business to reinvest into the music, right now you're in a great spot because you're doing it full time. You're recording, releasing beats, working with artists, you have clients. So did you ever bring back that that habit of like starting a business outside of music and using that to invest? Or are you just like solely focused on just the music itself?

Madatracker (38:34.146) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I invest in real estate. And first 'cause cause is real estate it is basically something that's going to rise the price in in years. So that's what I I wanted. And also I wanted my own DPTO, my department.

Esteban Candelario (38:55.948) Mm. That's cool.

Madatracker (38:56.108) And so maybe I can move that there, I don't know. But I can rent and or I can how do you say sell but have's just something that people will always rent places, so that's that's the way I see it. so it's something that that you have how do you say that warranted there?

Esteban Candelario (39:13.76) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (39:23.17) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (39:25.962) I know. That's why, basically, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (39:27.48) Do you think do you think more producers should follow that blueprint? Like, you know, obviously, you know, you want to live off your music, but also have something to diversify your income, right? To help, you know, I'm I'm sure it helps you with your music. I'm sure it helps you buy more equipment, helps you do more things. but I mean, I don't know, from your perspective, like, was that the initial thought going into it? Or was it just something you felt like was a better move because, you know, you mentioned inflation and things like that?

Madatracker (39:39.372) Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (39:45.77) Exactly. Yeah.

Madatracker (39:58.038) Yeah, and I think it was cause I s I watch some how do you say like business business videos. I mean people that people that recommend hey diversify your

Esteban Candelario (40:10.552) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (40:15.404) your money and invest in invest in something. And they always say that real estate is the something really good. And also Bitcoin. I I I I yeah. So no. No unfortunately unfort and and why? Because we couldn't buy here Bitcoins.

Esteban Candelario (40:25.686) Really? Were you or were you early on?

No, okay.

Esteban Candelario (40:37.578) that's crazy.

Madatracker (40:37.878) Yeah, yeah. 'Cause a friend a friend from United States told me when it was like one hundred dollars. He told me buy at least and one and but buy I don't remember how many it's like ten bitcoins, he told me, basically or more. I don't remember. And I I couldn't I I wa I wanted to buy. I wanted to buy. I couldn't because we we couldn't when we couldn't it's what's impossible here.

Esteban Candelario (40:54.21) Mm-hmm.

Esteban Candelario (41:01.144) Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Madatracker (41:06.99) So yeah, I was going to I was going to have maybe ten bitcoins or more.

Esteban Candelario (41:11.916) Mm. I mean, I if you did buy it, you probably wouldn't be here talking to me right now. You'd probably be somewhere else. So so interesting. Like obviously you're in Paraguay, right? And you made your career in Paraguay. And I know earlier you mentioned, like, hey, there's not a lot of musicians and bands in Paraguay. We're a small place, small scene. And then also you mentioned like the Bitcoin, for example, like you're not able to do it in your country. So do you ever see where you where you're living as a producer?

Madatracker (41:21.624) Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (41:38.432) as a limitation because you live in a country where there isn't as many people, isn't as many musicians. did you ever see that as a limitation or did you ever see that as an advantage? Did it make you little maybe hustle a little bit harder?

Madatracker (41:43.948) Yeah.

Madatracker (41:50.508) Yeah, that's right. That the pros and the cons were the cons the cons. I couldn't use PayPal, for example. And B star is all about PayPal. So I had to realize how to. And it was hard. and I started to go how how can I do how can I do that? that makes makes you

Like how do you say like search or research, do your research and so on. And also the Bitcoin thing, I couldn't buy, I ca I can't have I mean the limitation this restriction from my country 'cause in that time Paraguay was like so how do you say? Well, not so trustable. I don't know how to say.

Esteban Candelario (42:20.812) Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (42:41.014) Mm-hmm. I get it.

Madatracker (42:41.42) trustable, I don't know. Yeah. so so yeah. It's hard and so hard you have to to realize or re do some research and work harder and so on. But I really wanted to really wanted to to be on VTAR because it was real like the number one platform. And so yeah. But as you said, the pros as the pros are that

Esteban Candelario (43:02.564) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (43:09.25) You you you can you and you should work harder. Yeah. So you

Esteban Candelario (43:12.872) Mm-hmm. The the internet exists. It's like way too easy with easy with the internet right now. Like you can be in a small town, rural country, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? but yeah, you know, that that's interesting, right? Like, I mean your limitation was the reason why like you were successful. You know, you just found a way to do it and it probably made you better than than some people. but that's interesting. So at this moment, obviously you're producing, you're recording, you're investing in real estate. Is there anything else you're doing? Or is that like just the gist of it?

Madatracker (43:17.855) Yeah.

Madatracker (43:21.582) Mm-hmm.

Madatracker (43:43.328) Yeah, I also have my metal band. It's basically it's modern modern metal basically. So I I I mix some parts with trap pits and and so on. and yeah, that's my other goal. I I I always had a that dream to play with a rock band or metal band in this case.

And maybe tour Europe or maybe just here the region as well. Why not? But one of my main goal goals is to tour Europe. Maybe it's United States. But United States is really hard because you have to go to the embassy and ask for the visas and so on. It's really hard process. And Europe is easier because you just have your s your passport and you go. I mean you have to

Esteban Candelario (44:27.543) Yeah.

Madatracker (44:36.504) pay a booking agency and so on, but besides that you just you you have your passport and then you go to the place and play. It's not too hard. But United States it's really hard. It's really hard to go there. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (44:48.917) Hmm. I I don't think I I ever like like looked into the process. So I'd never really like thought about it from my end, because I live in the US. But so right now, what's kind of stopping you from from going to Europe? Is there anything in particular? Or, you know, I guess building the connections with the with the agencies that can book you?

Madatracker (45:07.84) Yeah. I I'm building the connection first and also I have to play more here and maybe in Argentina, Brazil and so on. So I have to build a career. I have to show something and then from there and you can say hey I I played here and played there. So I have a this career and docum document everything and then have an EPK and so on. Pictures, videos, and then

Esteban Candelario (45:11.287) Uh-huh.

Madatracker (45:37.632) show that to the age agency and then start from there. And they they they will say, Okay, I can put you with this band here and tour the Europe and so on.

Esteban Candelario (45:50.53) I know you're thinking in terms of like artists and and moving as a band with the EPK and things like that, but do you also think producers should move like that? Like I think a lot of producers should move more like artists should. I think right now like the shift is changing. And if you really want like a a a a better career and you gotta look like artists, but you're really a producer. So I mean, for those who don't know what an EPK is, can you explain what that is?

Madatracker (46:13.964) Yeah, electronic press kit where you put your achievement basically. Everything you did and you you you achieved how this achieved, right? Yeah. and yeah, put everything there and that's that's really cool. I mean when when po when people read and put the links there and what you achieved and so on.

Esteban Candelario (46:24.311) Okay.

Madatracker (46:39.648) I don't know if I explained them well well but basically b basic basically a resume. How do you say resume? A resume, yeah, yeah. Yeah, basically.

Esteban Candelario (46:41.719) No, it's okay. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (46:46.901) A resume. Yeah, it's your it's your resume. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a it's a digital resume you can share via email with like, you know, all types of people, label owners, A and Rs, whoever you're trying to reach out to, just to showcase like your track record, your music, your beats, whatever the case is. but yeah, man, I mean I think touring would be that'd be crazy, that'd be sick. Have you been touring in Paraguay or anywhere else out of Paraguay?

Madatracker (47:08.342) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, a lot. A lot here. And I also I played in Argentina, I play in Brazil. Yeah. But just random. It it wasn't like a tour. It was just one day there, one day there. And a lot here. A lot here 'cause we have a decent s scene. It's not big, but you can play. You can play a lot.

Esteban Candelario (47:15.383) Let's go.

Esteban Candelario (47:22.497) Uh-huh.

Esteban Candelario (47:34.338) How important do you think it is as a producer to be able to cause well you're in a band so you play instruments, right? Piano, guitar, and you know how to use doll, mix and master. A lot of producers that I speak to just make beats and they try to sell beats to people and no one wants to buy their beats because you can get beats for free online, YouTube, beat stars, it doesn't matter. So how important do you think it is to be to have those other skills that artists need besides the beats? You know, the the the mixing, the mastering, engineering, recording.

playing instruments. Do you think that's more important than producing itself? Or do you think the producing is more important than any of that?

Madatracker (48:10.924) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a compliment because I have clients that ask me for guitar, just record guitar or maybe make some arrangement on the keyboard or different elements. And yeah, I can mix and master as well. So yeah, I I have a lot of type of clients. So yeah, I think it's both important to to know all those those things, right?

Yeah. For me at least. Yeah, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (48:42.539) I agree. And I yeah, I think it makes the biggest difference, especially right now with I mean it's just oversaturated with beats. but I have one last question. I just wanted to ask this. I usually ask this to everybody. If you can go back in time and talk to yours a younger version of yourself when you started, is there anything or any advice you'd give your younger self to do differently?

Madatracker (49:05.514) Yeah, maybe be more organized with the business side. Yeah.

Esteban Candelario (49:10.135) Madatracker (49:12.462) 'Cause when you s you start not all all but in my case it was like just pure passion and just to do the do do this and do that. And you kind of forget that that side which is important, not the most important, but it is important 'cause you are going to make money and money give you food basically. Yeah. And other things but you know what I mean, like the basic thing

Esteban Candelario (49:36.651) Mm-hmm. Right.

Madatracker (49:42.476) that that we have to eat to survive, right? So yeah. so yeah maybe start with the more organized with the business side that very important and do what what you love. Do what you love and being being consistent. Yeah always consistent and never never lay down how to say maybe

Mm and keep on with the frustration frustration. So frustration is like normal.

Esteban Candelario (50:42.889) Awesome. Give me actually let's hit a pause right here. it actually says that you stop recording. Let me see. no n on my end, on my end it says that you stop recording. It says that you may need to free up some storage, maybe. I don't know if that's that's on your computer. Let's see.

Esteban Candelario (51:12.15) I can hear you, yeah.

Esteban Candelario (51:23.947) And did it does it say anything like to to delete any storage or anything like that?

Esteban Candelario (51:56.503) Okay, let's let's do this. What let me look up your Instagram right now. Where where do you do you prefer people to follow your Instagram?

Okay, give me give me one second, I'm still recording. So A okay, cool. I'll just do it.

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